OCTADE
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OCTADE or OCTAD is a retro word that means either an octal digit of three bits, or an octal octet or an eight-bit byte. Thus an octade, depending on its historical use, is either 3 bits or 8 bits.
OCTADE was used to specify eight bits, as opposed to BYTE which is not necessarily eight bits as the word BYTE could signify any of several numbers of bits.
This yields the retro 1337 numbers of 38 and 83. The number 38 is one more than 37 so a bit more elite a bit cooler. Thus it owns cardinally shorter byterz.
83 mod 38 equals 7, the highest octal digit. 838 mod 383 equals 72 or 9 times 8 which is 8 squared plus 8.
8338 mod 3883 equals 572 which is 72 times 8 minus 4 or 71.5 times 8.
8383 mod 3838 equals 707 which is 88 times 8 plus 3.
I prefer the old word OCTADE to the word BYTE. OCTADE sports a Euro-peon dignity and gravitas like an Internet serf ready to surf the worknet like pwnd peons. This is very true when pronouncing OCTADE with a thick Pennsyltucky Dutch or Yinzer accent. The Bostonian pronunciation sounds like bad beginner German or muffled mumbling of 'lactate.'
OCTADE or OCTAD was also used to describe a poem of eight stanzas.
OCTADE was also used to describe a period of eight years, or two leap years.
OCTADECANAL is a pheromone found in butterflies. It is butterfly perfume. I would not wear butterfly cologne. But I would sell it. Who would buy and wear my snobby smell? With wordplay we can call it OCTADE CHANNEL No. 8 . All rights reserved, ye French odor snooties.
Historical references for use of 'octade' or 'octad':
Burroughs B5500 Information Processing Systems REFERENCE MANUAL
https://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/LargeSystems/B5000_5500_5700/1021326_B5500_RefMan_196705.pdf
Philips Data Systems Product Range - April 1971
https://www.vintage-calculators.nl/Philips%20productoverzicht%201971.pdf
Is there another name for octet that means 8 bits?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-another-name-for-octet-that-means-8-bits
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It's 1998, you make a website in the copy of frontpage express that came with your computer, it's just like Word and it's very easy, you figure out how to upload it to the couple megs of web space that your ISP gives you (the instructions are on their website), you visit your site in your browser and everything's fine and the site's readable and everything looks the way it should
🦝 "Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026" you think to yourself for some reason
The site works fine but sometimes you get email from guys - always guys - telling you that the code sucks because you used frontpage express
You don't bother replying because it doesn't matter, the site works fine, but this does discourage you somewhat, so you get a copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver on CD from a guy outside the computer market. His stall was a tarp on the ground.
Dreamweaver is WAY better than frontpage! It shows you the HTML code side by side with the website, so when you move things around you can see how that changes the code. Pretty neat! Doesn't matter, but pretty neat! You can see what the tedious guys were talking about now, the code that frontpage made was a real mess, so you tidy it up just to avoid getting angry emails from weirdos about shit that doesn't matter
After a little while you start spending more time in the code bit 'cause your brain's gotten fucked to the point where it's easier to type out <b>shit like this</b> than to hit the Bold button
A little while later you start getting different emails
You've been laying out your site in tables, is the thing, and there's this new thing now, cascading style sheets, and you can use those for laying out your site. Does Dreamweaver do those? I dunno. Does Frontpage? Oh almost definitely not
You're also getting shitty emails about using frames. Which is weird because that's literally what everybody uses, you don't want to copy/paste all your section links across every single page of your website and then update every one every time you make a new page, so you make the navigation Once and you put it in a frame. But the most tedious men in the world are now telling you frames are no good
You learn about server-side includes, your server doesn't do that of course, your five megabytes of server space are free, they came with your free internet access. So you keep using frames, but it does bother you.
You join a web design newsgroup. You ask a question, how come my site does this weird thing in Netscape? The answer: "Probably because you coded it badly." You leave the web design newsgroup.
You're beginning to understand that there's a lot of money in this.
You make some money.
You do a few websites for friends, family, local businesses, you make a little bit of money.
You didn't need a degree, for this. You didn't need to pay to go on a course and get a bit of paper, there WERE no bits of paper then, you could learn it for free and the websites you built were proof that you could build a website.
That scared some folks?
Between all these things you learned Flash, which was a wonderful bit of software that let you make ANYTHING, and you also learned cascading style sheets, which, I cannot stress this enough, were complete fucking dogshit.
Like, it's good today, it's normal today, it's the standard way of doing things today - but back then, it sucked so hard that web designers with a decade of experience would crank out articles about trying to achieve "the Holy Grail of web design," which was three columns, a header, and a footer, with stuff in the middle bit and links in the left bit and maybe some other links in the right bit, that didn't fuck up in some hilarious or obscure way. Shit that was trivial and intuitive with tables, but absolutely fucking impossible with CSS.
It made everything harder, and it would be over a DECADE before anything got easier.
During this time, web editors like Frontpage and Dreamweaver just outright fucking gave up. You don't drag and drop anymore, you don't highlight text and ctrl-I for italics anymore, it's all code, except instead of <i> for italics it's <em> now.
What does <em> do? It adds emphasis. How does it add emphasis? By making the text italic. It's this way because you might not want your emphasized text to be italic, you might want it to have a drop shadow or be bright red or some shit like that, and the idea of divorcing the content from the presentation was kinda the Whole Deal of CSS, so that kiiiinda makes sense, in the way that a lot of early CSS kiiiiinda made sense
You validate your site's valid HTML with some bastard online tool because you've seen the badges on other sites saying "Valid XHTML!" like it matters. You spend some evenings cleaning up your old websites so that they pass the validation and you can get that badge and display it proudly on your site. After you've spent fucking hours doing so, your site looks and loads absolutely identically to how it did before, but now you're part of a club of people who are Doing It Properly
The thing that constantly nags at the back of your mind is that nobody cares about the difference between tables and CSS except **other web designers,** and Absolutely Nobody cares what web designers think, you should know, you've been doing it as a full time job for several years at this point
You play some Flash games, that's fun. You MAKE some Flash games, that's even more fun. See, Flash was a drawing and animation app made for artists who wanted to fuck around and make cartoons, which means they made it so simple that anybody could get to grips with it and start making animations within two cups of tea, but then someone at the lab tripped over his sideburns and spilled a cauldron of programming language into it, and then you could program Whole Ass Games in it
The whole CSS thing was a huge mess but that CSS Zen Garden website was trying its best to sort of explain its benefits and you were just starting to come around to this new, worse, more complicated way of doing things that might nonetheless let you do some neat tricks (although not as cool as flash obvs)
So there was this weird situation where the Open Standard, the libre open source shit, the anyone-can-make-it-in-notepad shit, was the realm of very boring websites, and the proprietary, locked-down, $600 to get started software was where art met anarchy. The proper fun, the proper expression of humanity and experimentation with interactive web content and making not just new stories but new ways to tell them, was happening in Flash, which was being bought out by giant evil megacorp inc.
The reason for this is two things, first Flash was WAY easier, and second my friend with a tarp full of CD-R's from earlier in the thread
Early smartphones were coming online around about then, and they weren't so hot with the whole flash thing. Like, it'd work, kinda, you'd miss out on all the cool rollover effects because you had to poke the screen with a little stick and it was just a resistive touchscreen, it didn't know you were hovering the stick over the screen.
For example, say you'd made a website for a local club of friendly motorcycle gentlemen whose navigation menu was a series of steel plates overlaid against the backdrop of a beating heart that was also a V8 engine. As you moved your mouse over the links, each link would rust over, the heart would rev up and get excited, and then when you actually clicked on a link, the whole thing would explode. On a smartphone, the engine heart wouldn't rev up, it'd just explode for seemingly no reason. But, y'know, it worked, we could make it work, and motorcycle gentlemen don't need no fucking professional white background with a pale blue header y'know
This needs to be a blog post, this really needs to be a blog post, I spaffed out the first post in the thread off the top of my head and then went and had dinner and fucked around a bit and then came back and carried on and didn't notice that the first post was blowing up
Anyway then the iphone came out and fucked everything up
See the iPhone was fucking shit compared to other smartphones at the time, like it was YEARS behind, but apple did that thing where, like, remember how they did it with MP3 players? Instead of saying stuff like "four gigs of space, six hour battery life" they said "A thousand songs in your pocket and you don't have to fuck around with CDs," while all the other MP3 player makers were fighting over people who already knew about MP3 players, apple targeted people who'd never used an MP3 player before, and that's what they did with their smartphone.
Anyway it didn't have a keyboard, it couldn't do flash, and you couldn't even copy and paste on the fucker but it sold like buggery because the adverts didn't say shit like "600mHz processor and 256 megs of RAM," they said "The internet in your pocket."
Now you can't make just one website anymore, you have to make two websites, and suddenly the point of all this CSS stuff becomes clear
So now you're making two websites, one for proper computers and one for shitty little three-inch screens.
This is the point where, let's be honest, most folk check the fuck out. Myspace is a thing now, livejournal is a thing now, if you <tr><td>'d your way into one website and it took you fucking ages you sure as fuck weren't gonna make two unless you understand that fancy new CSS shit.
I understood that fancy new CSS shit. But fucking hell, even at the time I knew, despite how AAALLLLL the websites about making websites had been banging on about CSS for ages, despite how all the bloggers were saying hey look this is definitely the way forward, I knew that knowing how to use CSS for layout put me in an EXTREME minority. The web wasn't for quiet uncles or excitable kids with a pirated copy of dreamweaver off the tarp outside the Manchester computer fair anymore, it was for fucking nerds with notepad++ who'd gotten interested in web standards. It was for people like me.
I'm not fond of people like me
The barrier to entry was raised, is the point, the internet became five shit websites posting screenshots of the other four because the technical barrier to entry was raised, from "Find a guy outside a computer market and pay him a fiver" to "Learn to code. Also learn to code two websites for every one website. Actually four websites now because dark mode."
But here's the thing. I made money making websites. I suspect a lot of people here, on this most nerdiest of social networks, made money making websites. And for a while, there was LOTS of competition for people who wanted to make money making websites. For a while, round my way at least, people used to say "I'm a web designer" as a synonym for "I'm unemployed," 'cause any random sod who was halfway-handy with a computer could make a website and if you don't have a job then you have more time to figure out how to make websites.
We weren't special, we were just fucking unemployed. Knowing how to use a computer and make a website wasn't something that set anyone apart in a sea of other people who figured out to make websites because they didn't have a job. You had to compete based on How Beautiful And Interesting Can You Make A Website
(at least until websites weren't beautiful anymore)
Raising the barrier to entry wasn't just down to, like, "Oh it's because phones" or "Fucking facebook and amazon," it was us. It was, like, "See this badge that leads to a code validation page, that means I actually know what I'm doing," it was shit like saying "Domain name" instead of "Web address" and when too many people knew what a domain name was we started saying "DNS Zone," it was telling people for fuck's sake don't go giving money to folk who still make websites using pirated copies of dreamweaver, give money to me instead because I know how to make a website the Incredibly Boring way.
Our, Nerd Fucking Desire to be Special.
We made website-making harder, to show that we can do a thing that's very hard and that normal people can't do.
Elitism. But, like, very very petty elitism.
Making a website should be the easiest fucking thing in the world by now. There should be a program that you can use to spit out a website as easy as Word spits out words on paper, and we - us fucking foss nerds or whoever - should've made it.
It probably would've made shit HTML code soup but so long as it worked, it wouldn't matter, nobody would care, just like nobody cared that Frontpage put out shit HTML code soup.
Well, nobody cared except the likes of us, and look where that got us.
Is there a spec yet for including a HTML page inside another HTML page, without fucking around with javascript or php or server-side includes or whatever? A thing people wanted to do on their freeserve.co.uk subdomain in 1997? Just like, <include src="navigation.html">, or is that making things too easy?
'cause fucking hell, we don't want things to be too easy, do we
This shouldn't have been a blog post, it should've been a podcast haha, it meanders and doesn't have a point and there's a lot of growling and yelling, good thing I don't have a microphone and also know that something like 99.9% of podcasts are one episode long and this would be my episode
Anyway I see the first post of this thread is continuing to blow up 'cause of folk who didn't know it'd go to horrible uncomfortable "We blew it all up" places, I'll see if everyone's mad at me in the morning
oh god it's morning
I got a toot hangover and too many replies to read
It's 2026 and you're doing a thread late at night in a flow state of heightened emotion, 100mph jabbing at the keyboard, a gibbering goblin bloodshot eyes in the cold monitor light, surf the wave and thrash the keyboard no think just post
It's 2026 and you follow the crowd to see what all the fuss is about, haha looks like someone got themselves really wound up last night - oh shit it was me
Don't gibbering manifesto before bed kids
A lotta replyguys missing the point of this thread
🐹 Just learn HTML, it's not that hard
🐼 Wordpress is pretty okay I guess
🦊 It doesn't take much command-line knowledge to work a static site generator
🦝 Cool, you know how to make websites, so do I. The point is that *the internet becomes boring and shit when only people like us get to make websites.*
It's difficult not to go down the rabbithole of "What we need is a really really good well-written HTML/CSS tutorial, I'll go write one" rabbithole, or "What if there was a lovely template that worked on desktop or mobile and was commented out the wazoo with an open invitation to use it" junk, those things already exist, when what the internet REALLY needs is
* a modern WYSIWYG website maker
* that is free
* that normal people can use
* that everybody knows about, either because it came with your computer or someone told you about it
* that comes with a bunch of free hosts pre-programmed in
* that the AVERAGE PERSON (IE not anyone who'll ever read this post) can use to make a website in an evening or two
* (EDIT because I know FOSS people are reading this) That has a good name, not the worst most ridiculous fucking unpronounceable garbage name you've ever heard of, a name that you'd be comfortable or even proud saying in public or on television, don't call it KWebExtruder or Martin'sKoolHTMLPooper or xhngthfffrrr or some shit like that
If this sounds bananas it's because you didn't use this exact program in the late 90's
@ifixcoinops reading Tim Berners-Lee's book, he created a program like this alongside the first browser. He never intended or expected humans to be writing HTML tags by hand!
So...after church this past Sunday I ended up writing an entire thing that feels like a sermon on the same passage our Pastor preached on because I had a very different set of thoughts on the passage we read.
Acts 19:21-41
I just...now need to figure out what to do with this thing I have written.
🤔
@mdmrn do you have a parish magazine or a blog you could send it to?
@satsuma None of the above. May have to find a place for myself to post things. 🤔
@mdmrn I’m a bit puzzled how someone could have a “hot take” on that particular passage. I’d be interested in reading what you’ve written.
@ossobuffo Not necessarily a hot take, per se. But a different take than I heard on Sunday at my church.
That section about Diana idol makers applies as much to the modern Church as it did to the pagan predecessors of the church. The 'virgin mary' is Artemis, AKA Diana. The 'virgin mary' is NOT Miriam the mother of Jesus of Nazareth.
Those who point out the mariolatry and virgin worship of the Church are hated in the same way the pagan craftsmen wanted to protect their lucrative trade. Now the bishopric has a lucrative trade in parishoners.
Nothing new under the sun.
The UK just announced they'll scan every photo on your phone to "protect children." The problem? "Proof of age" isn't defined. No legislation. No spec. No limits. This is surveillance infrastructure with no defined end state.
https://thomaster.substack.com/p/the-uk-is-about-to-scan-every-photo
#Privacy #UK #Surveillance #DigitalRights #OnlineSafety #KeirStarmer #Labour #Apple #Google #BigBrother
watch out for the controlled opposition.
Warriors of light and dark
You are looking for products in aisle 6, the jihadi section. Thank you for shopping at Q-mart.
Don't use LLM for writing cryptographic code. You have been warned.
The Israelites were not ready for the Shema, so God had to break it down for them into a set of rules.
I think you missed the entire point.
The commandment is not about monotheism. It is not. That idea is being read into the text, not taken out of it.
Really, I do think the point blew right past you.
The First Commandment of the Decalogue is NOT ABOUT MONOTHEISM.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before [representing] me."
The First Commandment is about having anyone or anything representing God, whether it be a man or an institution, such as a king, pharaoh, pope, pastorate, or bishopric, claiming to be representative of God.
God has no institutional representative. One man, and only one man, Jesus of Nazareth, is his representative.
This is what the first commandment means.
The second commandment is similar. Instead of talking about human and institutional idols, it talks about man-made idols.
So stop teaching that the first commandment is about monotheism. It is not. It is a condemnation of the monotheistic religions and their hierarchical structures.
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