OCTADE

@octade@soc.octade.net

(Owner soc.octade.net) (5&2)()()

Director of the International Department of Civil Disobedience.

For thoughtful response to thoughtful inquiry contact my email. Don't send me private direct messages on the Fediverse. If you have a general question ask it in a public timeline. I block users who send me annoying private messages about things that should be asked in a public timeline.

I sometimes post links to items I find curious, interesting, or of research and study value. This does not necessarily mean that I agree with the linked matter. Don't assume.

NAME : Raze
ABOUT : https://soc.octade.net/octade/p/1738730010.732958
LINKS : https://soc.octade.net/octade/p/1738730079.782260
SITE : https://octade.net
NEWS : news://alt.flashback | news://alt.crossover

SLOGAN : Speak not with words. Speak with work product.

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LINKS

Cryptography project site
Publications
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[Netnews] Find me on in alt.rhubarb.
Git Repositories
Keyoxide1
Keyoxide2
BlueSky
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[?]OCTADE » 🌐
@octade@soc.octade.net

Bytemology of Retronym, OCTADE. Yinzer phonics. Butterfly Perfume.

OCTADE or OCTAD is a retro word that means either an octal digit of three bits, or an octal octet or an eight-bit byte. Thus an octade, depending on its historical use, is either 3 bits or 8 bits.

OCTADE was used to specify eight bits, as opposed to BYTE which is not necessarily eight bits as the word BYTE could signify any of several numbers of bits.

This yields the retro 1337 numbers of 38 and 83. The number 38 is one more than 37 so a bit more elite a bit cooler. Thus it owns cardinally shorter byterz.

83 mod 38 equals 7, the highest octal digit. 838 mod 383 equals 72 or 9 times 8 which is 8 squared plus 8.

8338 mod 3883 equals 572 which is 72 times 8 minus 4 or 71.5 times 8.

8383 mod 3838 equals 707 which is 88 times 8 plus 3.

I prefer the old word OCTADE to the word BYTE. OCTADE sports a Euro-peon dignity and gravitas like an Internet serf ready to surf the worknet like pwnd peons. This is very true when pronouncing OCTADE with a thick Pennsyltucky Dutch or Yinzer accent. The Bostonian pronunciation sounds like bad beginner German or muffled mumbling of 'lactate.'

OCTADE or OCTAD was also used to describe a poem of eight stanzas.

OCTADE was also used to describe a period of eight years, or two leap years.

OCTADECANAL is a pheromone found in butterflies. It is butterfly perfume. I would not wear butterfly cologne. But I would sell it. Who would buy and wear my snobby smell? With wordplay we can call it OCTADE CHANNEL No. 8 . All rights reserved, ye French odor snooties.

Historical references for use of 'octade' or 'octad':

Burroughs B5500 Information Processing Systems REFERENCE MANUAL
https://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/burroughs/LargeSystems/B5000_5500_5700/1021326_B5500_RefMan_196705.pdf

Philips Data Systems Product Range - April 1971
https://www.vintage-calculators.nl/Philips%20productoverzicht%201971.pdf

Is there another name for octet that means 8 bits?
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-another-name-for-octet-that-means-8-bits

@wordplay@lemmy.ml @Vocabulary@lemmy.ml

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    [?]OCTADE » 🌐
    @octade@soc.octade.net

    I like my coffee brewed so strong that you can float a horseshoe on top of it.


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      [?]OCTADE » 🌐
      @octade@soc.octade.net

      ABOUT

      Name: Byrl Raze Buckbriar (call me Raze).

      Likes: Interested in WORK PRODUCT, inspiration, faith, truth, beauty, nature, self-improvement, encouragement, edification, praiseworthy things, how-tos, beautiful things, artwork, fluid poems, and general human kindness and achievement. See my profile hashtags for technical subjects of interest.

      Disclaimer: If I follow your account it does not imply agreement with your views.

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      [?]OCTADE » 🌐
      @octade@soc.octade.net

      LINKS

      Site: Cryptography project site. (https://octade.net)
      Publications: https://octade.net/publications.html
      ORCID: https://orcid.org/0009-0009-5144-3278
      Netnews: Find me on in alt.rhubarb.
      Git: https://codeberg.org/OCTADE
      Keyoxide1: https://keyoxide.org/0CF7084CF97B85F2ABF97010C6663A42C56F5F0E
      Keyoxide2: https://keyoxide.org/B9B2A8EC2C4B20D2011CFEAA07E4A7FFF6585E8F
      BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/octade.bsky.social
      HackerNews: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=OCTADE
      Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/@buckbriar

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        [?]OCTADE » 🌐
        @octade@soc.octade.net

        I have been elevated to the position of:

        .................................................
        Director of the
        International Department
        of Civil Disobedience.
        ..................................................

        Rise into the ranks of my anti-conquest conquest!

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        [?]OCTADE » 🌐
        @octade@soc.octade.net

        THE CHRISTIAN TRINITY IS THE GOLDEN CALF IDOL

        The trinity is the golden calf at Sinai. When the Israelites came out of Egypt (the new covenant) they brought the trinity of Egypt with them in their hearts and minds.

        You can take the Israelite out of Egypt, but you also need to take Egypt out of the Israelite! The trinity is the imaginary god of Egypt. The Christian religion is Egypt.

        In order to enter the kingdom of God you must repent of worshiping the trinity. God the Father is not a trinity. Only the Father is God. The Christian doctrine of the trinity is the idol the prophets warned us about.

        The Unitarian faith is the faith of the Apostles and the only true God. The Trinitarian faith is a false faith in a false, Greek, metaphyical construct.

        The Bible is NOT a book of metaphysics. It uses spiritual examples and parables to describe concrete things. The Greco-Roman 'church fathers' poisoned the well by applying pagan metaphysics to the Bible, creating the cargo cult known as the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed.

        God the Father is a spirit. He is not a man. He did not incarnate as a man. He raised up and sent a man to be our sacrifice for sin. Everything the trinitarians teach twists the Bible into a lie.

        The Christian religion is Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Rome, Grecia, etc. The Christian religion is the culmination of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

        Come out of the religion and find the real Jesus and be free!

        The promise of the new covenant is that when the new order came, those who follow God the Father will have no need of any teacher or bishop or hierarchy to tell them to know God. God said we would have no need of a man to be our teachers or spiritual fathers. God promised that all of us will know him directly and not need anyone other than Jesus to lead the way.

        The Christian religion impersonates Jesus and stands in the way, usurping his throne, as prophesied.


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          [?]OCTADE » 🌐
          @octade@soc.octade.net

          Jesus Is Not God! Repent And Be Saved!

          The trinity is the golden calf at Sinai. When the Israelites came out of Egypt (the new covenant) they brought the trinity of Egypt with them in their hearts and minds.

          You can take the Israelite out of Egypt, but you also need to take Egypt out of the Israelite! The trinity is the imaginary god of Egypt. The Christian religion is Egypt.

          In order to enter the kingdom of God you must repent of worshiping the trinity. God the Father is not a trinity. Only the Father is God. The Christian doctrine of the trinity is the idol the prophets warned us about.

          I recently discovered this channel. I have watched some their streams exposing the insanity of militant trinitarians. They are doing good work.

          The Unitarian faith is the faith of the Apostles and the only true God. The Trinitarian faith is a false faith in a false, Greek, metaphyical construct.

          The Bible is NOT a book of metaphysics. It uses spiritual examples and parables to describe concrete things. The Greco-Roman 'church fathers' poisoned the well by applying pagan metaphysics to the Bible, creating the cargo cult known as the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed.

          God the Father is a spirit. He is not a man. He did not incarnate as a man. He raised up and sent a man to be our sacrifice for sin. Everything the trinitarians teach twists the Bible into a lie.

          The Christian religion is Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Rome, Grecia, etc. The Christian religion is the culmination of the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

          Come out of the religion and find the real Jesus and be free!

          The promise of the new covenant is that when the new order came, those who follow God the Father will have no need of any teacher or bishop or hierarchy to tell them to know God. God said we would have no need of a man to be our teachers or spiritual fathers. God promised that all of us will know him directly and not need anyone other than Jesus to lead the way.

          The Christian religion impersonates Jesus and stands in the way, usurping his throne, as prophesied.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xigWkC9L5_g


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            [?]retro » 🌐
            @retro@soc.octade.net

            BIBLE SOFTWARE HUNT

            My search continues.

            Will someone chime in with a list of bible software they have found useful? I'm using Linux and always on the lookout for new tools. Links would be helpful.

            So far I have the applications: Xiphos, Bibletime, Widemargin, and Diatheke.


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              [?]Randal » 🌐
              @rm@my.talesofmy.life

              @retro I don't do much in the way of apps. I do use a lot:

              #^https://bolls.life/

              Has the most important Portuguese versions that I need.

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                [?]Earl » 🌐
                @Earl@mast.john1126.com

                @rm
                It works!

                A quick search found a description of one of the most unusual miracles of this planet: a virgin gave birth.

                @retro

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                  [?]Earl » 🌐
                  @Earl@mast.john1126.com

                  @retro
                  One Bible I use on Linux Mint: The Word

                  john1126.com/589

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                    [?]Randal » 🌐
                    @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                    I'm like Goldilocks with print editions of the Bible: text too small, size too large, not enough margin, too much wasted space ... :)

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                    [?]GoatsLive » 🌐
                    @GoatsLive@mastodon.social

                    @rm Exactly why I use the Life Bible Android application. Multiple translations, Strong's, note taking built in, and lots more. (Used to be called Tecarta)

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                      [?]Randal » 🌐
                      @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                      @GoatsLive I've not gotten used to an app. I like the print. Another Goldilocks problem. :)

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                        [?]GoatsLive » 🌐
                        @GoatsLive@mastodon.social

                        @rm With my dyslexia, I can't actually read printed matter very easily, however the refresh rate of the screen fixes it nicely for me. I learned that back in the early 70's when I started taking computer programming as part of my physics study in college. My high school and grade schools never picked up on it.

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                          [?]Randal » 🌐
                          @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                          @GoatsLive Gotcha. That's great you were able to discover a good fix.

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                            [?]GoatsLive » 🌐
                            @GoatsLive@mastodon.social

                            @rm Back when we ran a dial-up BBS, I had the King James Bible online with a simple app I wrote, and was doing all my study on a CRT! As tech has improved of course, I've moved with it.

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                              [?]Randal » 🌐
                              @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                              @GoatsLive Wow, that's cool! How did you find the KJV in digital format way back then?

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                                [?]GoatsLive » 🌐
                                @GoatsLive@mastodon.social

                                @rm Someone uploaded it to an open source software BBS where I found it and downloaded it.

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                                  [?]Randal » 🌐
                                  @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                                  @GoatsLive Must have taken a lot of work back in the day to do that.

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                                    [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                    @octade@soc.octade.net

                                    @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                                    Finding that perfect specimen of a paper bible is like a treasure hunt. I found one good pocket edition with a readable font many years ago and I carried it everywhere 'religiously'.

                                    Now I read 99% on a computer screen.

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                                      [?]Randal » 🌐
                                      @rm@my.talesofmy.life

                                      @OCTADE I thought I had found one, single column, recent edition, great size, but it was on a yellowish paper with very light subtitles, chapter and verse numbers, and significant bleed-through.

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                                        [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                        @octade@soc.octade.net

                                        No Virgin Birth Live

                                        The Virgin Birth narrative is not in the Bible. You only think it is. Jesus is a man, not a 'god incarnate.'

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnfdnqoC64


                                        Christian nativity scene showing baby Jesus in a manger padded with straw with Joseph and Miriam kneeling over the baby. The words, 'Baby God' run atop the scene, and the words, 'No Virgin Birth' run beneath the manger.

                                        Alt...Christian nativity scene showing baby Jesus in a manger padded with straw with Joseph and Miriam kneeling over the baby. The words, 'Baby God' run atop the scene, and the words, 'No Virgin Birth' run beneath the manger.

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                                          [?]Earl » 🌐
                                          @Earl@mast.john1126.com

                                          Preaching against the virgin birth, using the Bible as evidence? That's a new one.

                                          The Bible most definitely says Mary was a virgin when Gabriel, the archangel, visited her to declare she was chosen to give birth to the Son of God. He was called Emmanuel, meaning God with us, and named JESUS.

                                          Matthew 1:18-23
                                          Luke 1
                                          Isaiah 7:14

                                          Even the Muslim Quran says Jesus (Isa) was born of the virgin Mary.

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                                            [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                            @octade@soc.octade.net

                                            This is fake history from a simpleton perspective with an obvious agenda.

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                                            [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                            @octade@soc.octade.net

                                            Some Listed Here:

                                            https://soc.octade.net/

                                              [?]Catherine » 🌐
                                              @DramatisPaws@toot.wales

                                              Some of this is probably good advice, but the last one?! How could I even drink from a sealed container? Does anyone know what they are actually trying to say?

                                              No E-scooters Sorry but we don’t carry any e-scooters on the Metro Please keep your feet off the seats Please don’t eat hot food onboard Please don’t drink from containers that are not sealed

                                              Alt...No E-scooters Sorry but we don’t carry any e-scooters on the Metro Please keep your feet off the seats Please don’t eat hot food onboard Please don’t drink from containers that are not sealed

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                                              [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                              @octade@soc.octade.net

                                              @DramatisPaws@toot.wales

                                              Don't drink from cans, bottles, jars, etc. Instead use:

                                              *sippy cup
                                              *bubba keg
                                              *hydration bag
                                              *osmosis

                                                [?]🍻 Alexander 🇪🇺 » 🌐
                                                @MostlyHarmless@hostux.social

                                                @DramatisPaws Well, it is good advice... Drinking from a sealed container is likely to result in damaged teeth.

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                                                  [?]Geek Realm Hub » 🌐
                                                  @geekrealmhub@mastodon.social

                                                  eMule is back, reborn as aMule 3.0.0. 380x faster downloads.

                                                  5 years of silence, broken. 🔥

                                                  What this means for P2P is bigger than you think.
                                                  geekrealmhub.com/amule-3-0-0-f

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                                                    [?]zerionchat » 🌐
                                                    @zerionchat@mastodon.social

                                                    We wrote an honest comparison of Zerion against Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram, Threema, Wire, Session, Cwtch and Tox.

                                                    Honest meaning: Signal gets credit for pioneering post-quantum key exchange, Cwtch is genuinely close in spirit, and each app is the right call for some threat model.

                                                    Where Zerion stands alone: post-quantum encryption on every single message, and everything (including calls) over Tor.

                                                    zerion.chat/blog/zerion-vs-mai

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                                                      [?]Pure Acetone » 🌐
                                                      @pureacetone@qoto.org

                                                      ... [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                      **First entry into RetroShare: how to find peers**

                                                      In RetroShare you don’t “find people” in the usual sense. You don’t search — you agree. This is a fundamental mindset shift; without it, the first launch will always feel empty.

                                                      The first thing to accept: there is no global lobby in RetroShare. The emptiness after installation is not a bug, but the honest state of a network without links. Until you have trusted contacts, you literally have no network.

                                                      **The basic method — out-of-band contact.**
                                                      Peers are found outside RetroShare. These are friends, colleagues, members of thematic communities, people from Matrix, XMPP, IRC, Mastodon, forums — any place where key exchange can happen safely. RetroShare does not start with a “search” button, but with the phrase: “here is my key.”

                                                      **The second path — a control peer.**
                                                      The most reliable way for first entry is a second instance you control, or a pre-arranged experimental partner. This removes uncertainty: if the connection fails, the issue is technical, not social.

                                                      **The third path — thematic islands.**
                                                      There are small RetroShare communities built around ideas: privacy, P2P, darknet research, offline activism. They are not widely advertised because the network is not designed for random influx. Entry always starts with dialogue, not a click.

                                                      **What does not work.**
                                                      Publishing keys into the void. Waiting for someone to add you. Relying on auto-discovery. This is centralized-network thinking applied to a system where it has no meaning.

                                                      **How to know you’ve found a peer.**
                                                      The contact comes online. The connection stabilizes. Services start working: chat, forums, file exchange. At that point RetroShare stops being an abstraction and becomes an environment for communication.

                                                      **Bottom line:**
                                                      in RetroShare, people appear first —
                                                      and only then does the network emerge.

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                                                        [?]Profoundly Nerdy » 🌐
                                                        @profoundlynerdy@bitbang.social

                                                        Is there an ActivityPub platform that will host PDFs and the like; basically a PixelFed for documents?

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                                                          [?]Eric Mächler » 🌐
                                                          @emaechler@masto.maechler.cloud

                                                          @profoundlynerdy and how will that work? like a torrent ?

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                                                            [?]Profoundly Nerdy » 🌐
                                                            @profoundlynerdy@bitbang.social

                                                            @emaechler A distributed Scribd, maybe?

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                                                              [?]Eric Mächler » 🌐
                                                              @emaechler@masto.maechler.cloud

                                                              @profoundlynerdy yes that what i meant with torrent - like the share network.... or do you think more like colaboration (simultanuos editing from multiple people)?

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                                                                [?]Profoundly Nerdy » 🌐
                                                                @profoundlynerdy@bitbang.social

                                                                @emaechler Yeah, vaguely torrent like.

                                                                  [?]Light » 🌐
                                                                  @light@noc.social

                                                                  @profoundlynerdy Pleroma and forks pretty much let you upload anything IIRC
                                                                  @octade

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                                                                    [?]Paul Cantrell [he/him or they/them] » 🌐
                                                                    @inthehands@hachyderm.io

                                                                    There once was a man
                                                                    from Peru — whose limericks
                                                                    turned into haiku

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                                                                    Older...
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                                                                    [?]Vassil Nikolov | Васил Николов » 🌐
                                                                    @vnikolov@ieji.de

                                                                    Transmutative writing from Rive,
                                                                    Initially 5—7—5,
                                                                    Got carried away
                                                                    And somewhat astray
                                                                    With aesthetics taking a dive.

                                                                    @inthehands

                                                                      [?]DMTom » 🌐
                                                                      @DMTomas@mastodon.social

                                                                      @inthehands thank you! I can appreciate this haiku, even though it’s technically not haiku, but it f*kin rhymes. As someone who writes poetry (for myself, not for sharing;) - I can’t stand “white poetry” (don’t know how it’s in English;) - poetry that doesn’t rhyme:
                                                                      we can all write words
                                                                      in separate lines
                                                                      this, however -
                                                                      does not make it a poem,
                                                                      i think.
                                                                      And hailu is math, not poetry IMHO. With a single exception- this!;) 🫶

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                                                                        [?]Analog AI [They/She/He] » 🌐
                                                                        @Retreival9096@hachyderm.io

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                                                                        @DMTomas @inthehands

                                                                        For me, a poem is not about separate lines
                                                                        nor perfect rhymes.
                                                                        It's about capturing truth in metaphor that can't be captured in a net of facts.

                                                                        But that's me, I'm guessing there are thousands of ways of seeing this.

                                                                        (and in English "white" verse is "blank verse")

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                                                                          [?]DMTom » 🌐
                                                                          @DMTomas@mastodon.social

                                                                          @Retreival9096 @inthehands thank you very much for explanation 🫶, I still don’t understand why one feels compelled to write that wisdom in lines? And wouldn’t those words of wisdom sound more-better if one would spend some time working on finding the words which not only translate the feeling and the meaning - but also rhyme? Maybe it’s just me, remembering the time I spent trying to find better words and re-arranging them to sound better.. blank verse sounds lazy 2me;)

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                                                                            [?]Analog AI [They/She/He] » 🌐
                                                                            @Retreival9096@hachyderm.io

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                                                                            @DMTomas @inthehands

                                                                            Across time and culture the notion for what is "real" poetry have changed. I studied Old English (Anglo-Saxon) a bit for a while, and learned they didn't care for rhyme between lines, but wanted a pattern of alliteration within lines; Viking poets were expected to be able to create a poem to honor a person or commemorate an occasion *on the spot* (with rules that included having different meter from line to line -- iambic pentameter was considered boring, because it was just normal speaking pattern).

                                                                            I'm guessing that what makes your poems good is the time and thought you put in to choosing the right words and best ways to say something. If you spent the same effort alphabetizing the lines, or alliterating words in the lines, or any other poetry rules from other places or time, you would still get quality -- just a different quality.

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                                                                              [?]DMTom » 🌐
                                                                              @DMTomas@mastodon.social

                                                                              @Retreival9096 @inthehands heh, to be completely honest with you - the only thing my poetry does good - is “crystallizing the vibe”, I mean whenever I re-read them, I get instantly transported to the time and mental space it was written… Some are a trip to read, as they feel prophetic with a hindsight, hence they are “for personal consumption only”;))

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                                                                                [?]Geoff Coffey » 🌐
                                                                                @gwcoffey@mastodon.social

                                                                                @DMTomas @Retreival9096 @inthehands I confess I disagree. A LOT of amazing poetry plays with line and rhyme.

                                                                                Consider Dickinson's "Before I got my eye put out" which doesn't rhyme but every step of the way feels like it should, like maybe it almost does. The effect is as mesmerizing as the imagery, and is very thematic.

                                                                                poetryfoundation.org/poems/521

                                                                                Or John Keene's "Beatitudes", which doesn't rhyme at all but would lose everything if it were just set in ordinary prose.

                                                                                poets.org/poem/beatitude

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                                                                                  [?]DMTom » 🌐
                                                                                  @DMTomas@mastodon.social

                                                                                  @gwcoffey @Retreival9096 @inthehands Oh wow, the first one is a trip, a tease in a bad way, feels very much like my flavor of panic attack - which is - welll done, good sir (to author;) - the second one lost me;)… my education in english poetry consists almost entirely of song lyrics and Tolkien;) - haven’t read even Shakespeare in English, only in Lithuanian (which is… why? to admire translator?;), had German, as my first foreign language, read Göethe and Schiller;)

                                                                                    [?]Peregrine » 🌐
                                                                                    @peregrine57@mastodon.social

                                                                                    @inthehands
                                                                                    "I cut them in half"
                                                                                    He said with a laugh, "It pays
                                                                                    much better for two"

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                                                                                      [?]Mapologies » 🤖 🌐
                                                                                      @mapologies@mastodon.social

                                                                                      mapologies.com/roots/

                                                                                      Horseradish is a type of radish, with spicy flavour and eaten by horses. However this is simply partly true — the only accurate part is its strong taste. It also belongs to the Brassicaceae family (along with cabbage, mustard and, yes, radish).

                                                                                      Etymology map of horseradish

                                                                                      Alt...Etymology map of horseradish

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                                                                                      [?]Dumber than necessary » 🌐
                                                                                      @OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online

                                                                                      Some days I feel like I'm a whore for the past, slave for the future, and prisoner for the present.

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                                                                                      [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                      @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                      @OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online

                                                                                      ... fugitive in the end ...

                                                                                        [?]𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight" [She/her] » 🌐
                                                                                        @Lana@beige.party

                                                                                        I need to ask the tech people of the Internet something and you're going to have to forgive me if I sound stupid. I honestly don't know what I'm talking about here so you'll have to explain like I'm five.

                                                                                        I run a music school with a website. Say there is an open source piece of software out there which I would very much like to use at my school for educational purposes. Say that the software is published on GitHub. How hard would it be to take a copy of that open source software which runs in a browser and host a version of it on my own music school website?

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                                                                                        [?]Raj 🇬🇧🇪🇺💻🖥(🌻🇺🇦;🇵🇸) » 🌐
                                                                                        @realcainmosni@mastodon.me.uk

                                                                                        @Lana That depends very much on how your web site is hosted, and the resources the tool requires. I know that's not particularly helpful, but that's the most honest answer I can give.

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                                                                                          [?]Raj 🇬🇧🇪🇺💻🖥(🌻🇺🇦;🇵🇸) » 🌐
                                                                                          @realcainmosni@mastodon.me.uk

                                                                                          @Lana It requires specifics, basically.

                                                                                          What's the github URL?

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                                                                                            [?]𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight" [She/her] » 🌐
                                                                                            @Lana@beige.party

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                                                                                              [?]𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight" [She/her] » 🌐
                                                                                              @Lana@beige.party

                                                                                              @realcainmosni if I'm understanding this part right, it doesn't require a server to host it, right? This is just pure code? Like, would a copy-paste work here?

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                                                                                                [?]Justin Fitzsimmons » 🌐
                                                                                                @smn@l3ib.org

                                                                                                @Lana @realcainmosni you do need a server, but the simplest kind. If you already have website, you can probably add this by just copying the files there. If you don't already have one, there are tons of services that offer free static site hosting. Unfortunately I can't recommend one since I'm techy enough to run my own.

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                                                                                                  [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                  @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                  @Lana@beige.party

                                                                                                  If your website already has DNS set up, not hard at all.

                                                                                                  If you need to point DNS to your domain, use a panel like HestiaCP or Webmin or Virtualmin.

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                                                                                                    [?]𝐿𝒶𝓃𝒶 "not yet begun to fight" [She/her] » 🌐
                                                                                                    @Lana@beige.party

                                                                                                    @octade I didn't understand a word of that

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                                                                                                      [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                      @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                      We need a #slop-free #Linux #distro.

                                                                                                      We really do.

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                                                                                                        [?]Damien Malcolm » 🌐
                                                                                                        @damienl@aus.social

                                                                                                        @rl_dane define "slop" for me? I've been running Linux Mint for years. I might be biased, but I'd consider it pretty free of slop. :)

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                                                                                                          [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                          @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                          @damienl

                                                                                                          It has a lot of meanings but the most recent definition is content or code generated by large language models.

                                                                                                          But it can also refer to slipshod programming practices in general.

                                                                                                          [?]Franklin » 🌐
                                                                                                          @FranklinFrank@fosstodon.org

                                                                                                          @rl_dane The "AI Revelation" has greatly lowered the standard for slop, so we may need some help understanding what your standard is. I am curious

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                                                                                                            @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                            @FranklinFrank

                                                                                                            Yes, the devil is obviously in the details. I would start off with: let's not include any projects that are wholly generated by large language models and work the debate from there.

                                                                                                            I would also highly endorse picking alternatives to major projects that have turned to using large language models to drive development.

                                                                                                            I don't know to what extent the Vim project is using large language models, but Vim Classic looks like a nice project to pick up as an alternative.

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                                                                                                            [?]Dendrobatus Azureus » 🌐
                                                                                                            @dendrobatus_azureus@polymaths.social

                                                                                                            Point me please, to projects which are heavily dependent on LLM code generation which are older than 10 years.

                                                                                                            The Linux distributions I use,  have no code which is 100% LLM generated

                                                                                                            @rl_dane @FranklinFrank

                                                                                                            #LLM #slop #hallucinations #AI #programming #coding

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                                                                                                              [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                              @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                              @dendrobatus_azureus @FranklinFrank

                                                                                                              I'm not sure how heavily is "heavily," but I've heard that both vim and tmux are accepting slop "contributions."

                                                                                                              The Linux kernel, as well.

                                                                                                              How prevalent that slop is, I don't know.

                                                                                                              tmux: https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#terminal-multiplexers

                                                                                                              vim: https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#text-and-code-editors

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                                                                                                                [?]Dendrobatus Azureus » 🌐
                                                                                                                @dendrobatus_azureus@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                I've seen where Torvalds said that he considers them as just another tool in the Arsenal, he doesn't really care, if the code is good.

                                                                                                                He doesn't want his time to be wasted  He'll scream and shout if an LLM creates that time pit

                                                                                                                These following words an extreme version of me would say

                                                                                                                It looks like you will have to stop using Linux. Since from your perspective anything that uses remotely an LLM is bad, you will have to stop, otherwise you will contribute to the environment being destroyed willingly and actively

                                                                                                                In practice that is impossible. If you drive a modern car it has the Linux kernel. If you have a smart TV or more you're also using the tainted kernel. Even if you have a stick which also streams or a camera you will have a Linux kernel in many cases.

                                                                                                                These LLMs are an infection of the planet's  code base

                                                                                                                Since you're already using BSD a solution would be to cut using Linux on your computers drastically

                                                                                                                @rl_dane @FranklinFrank

                                                                                                                #LLM #slop #hallucinations #AI #programming #coding

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                                                                                                                  [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                  @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                  @dendrobatus_azureus @FranklinFrank

                                                                                                                  There's no good solution. Well, there's no perfect solution.

                                                                                                                  We mitigate the bad as much as we reasonably can while we wade chest deep through the muck of dystopia.

                                                                                                                  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                                                                    [?]Artur Manuel [he/him] » 🌐
                                                                                                                    @amadaluzia@hachyderm.io

                                                                                                                    @rl_dane I'm being entirely defeatist here, I know, but this isn't really possible. The Linux kernel itself has been slopped to hell. You're better off using NetBSD and hacking in functionality from glibc.

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                                                                                                                      [?]Artur Manuel [he/him] » 🌐
                                                                                                                      @amadaluzia@hachyderm.io

                                                                                                                      @rl_dane At this point, I kind of just stopped caring what on my stack was slop or not so long as it's at least working. I'm happy knowing I won't be using bullshit generators, I don't want the psychic pain of seeing something I use succumb to it and having to find entirely new software to account for it. I could waste my time without as much of a headache.

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                                                                                                                        [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                        @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                        @amadaluzia

                                                                                                                        This is obviously where the rubber meets the road.

                                                                                                                        It's never going to be easy, and it's never going to be perfect, but I think making efforts in the direction of virtue is always worthwhile.

                                                                                                                        [?]Jonathan Lamothe [he/him] » 🌐
                                                                                                                        @me@social.jlamothe.net

                                                                                                                        @amadaluzia @rl_dane I haven't ditched all slop-generated code for the same reason I haven't gone vegan. I agree with the ethics, and I'm trying to minimize my consumption of Bad Things in favour of Good Things, but I also don't have the resources or mental bandwidth to change everything out.

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                                                                                                                          [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                          @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                          @me @amadaluzia

                                                                                                                          Totally.

                                                                                                                          But I do eat vegan sometimes, and I do switch out slop projects for non/pre-slop forks when possible.

                                                                                                                          The "impossibility" of "totality/perfection" isn't as important as the very real steps we make in the right direction.

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                                                                                                                            [?]pixx » 🔓
                                                                                                                            @pixx@merveilles.town

                                                                                                                            @rl_dane Did you mean: BSD?

                                                                                                                            (/joking.)

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                                                                                                                              [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🔓
                                                                                                                              @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                              @pixx

                                                                                                                              Not wrong, but at this point you're basically talking about just #NetBSD as far as I know.

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                                                                                                                                [?]pixx » 🔓
                                                                                                                                @pixx@merveilles.town

                                                                                                                                @rl_dane ...I'm skeptical that openbsd would fall down that trap

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                                                                                                                                  @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                  @pixx

                                                                                                                                  From what I've heard, they still haven't made any comment about tmux including slop, which is now in base.

                                                                                                                                  If I am mistaken, I would very much like to know.

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                                                                                                                                  [?]bpl » 🔓
                                                                                                                                  @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                  Well, no comment so far and even OSnews article did not change anything in this matter, so probably nothing will change regarding tmux case.

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                                                                                                                                    [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🔓
                                                                                                                                    @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                    @bpl

                                                                                                                                    Wow, incredible article. And no response a whole month later.

                                                                                                                                    [?]Douglas Floyd » 🌐
                                                                                                                                    @dfloyd888@fosstodon.org

                                                                                                                                    @rl_dane Slackware?

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                                                                                                                                      [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                      @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                      @dfloyd888

                                                                                                                                      Not a bad start. But we'd need to swap stuff like vim for forks like vim-classic, and try to work it from there.

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                                                                                                                                      [?]Douglas Floyd » 🌐
                                                                                                                                      @dfloyd888@fosstodon.org

                                                                                                                                      @rl_dane I've wondered about combining this with having all parts of the OS userland written or translated to Rust. Just watching for supply chain issues during compile time may be better than hoping supply chain issues don't happen at runtime.

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                                                                                                                                        [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                        @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                        @dfloyd888

                                                                                                                                        I don't know much about Rust, but they seme to be following the npm philosophy of "just throw hundreds of spidering nested dependencies at the problem."

                                                                                                                                        Trying to compile even a small rust project on a raspberry pi-like device is not a fun time.

                                                                                                                                        By virtue of that, and the very "Chesterton's Fence bulldozer" attitude of the Rust boosters, I'm not a huge fan of it.

                                                                                                                                        Edit: typo, typing on glass. #ShrimpFingers #StrongBad

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                                                                                                                                          [?]Douglas Floyd » 🌐
                                                                                                                                          @dfloyd888@fosstodon.org

                                                                                                                                          @rl_dane I like the fact it is a compiled language. Maybe Ada or SPARK might be better?

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                                                                                                                                            [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                            @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                            @dfloyd888

                                                                                                                                            Maybe there needs to be a dialect of C with strict bounds checking baked-in? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                                                                                                                                            [?]bpl » 🌐
                                                                                                                                            @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                            We have it. It is called TempleOS.

                                                                                                                                            To be a little more serious, which distro maintainers will clean kernel from slop?

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                                                                                                                                              [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                              @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                              @bpl

                                                                                                                                              Ok, let's start with slopless and work towards slop-free? 😄

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                                                                                                                                              [?]bpl » 🌐
                                                                                                                                              @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                              That would be great, but how to convince devs to not use LLMs when they make their life easier by writing the code? This is what they get right now and affects them directly. Issues arising from using LLMs do not affect them directly, right now.

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                                                                                                                                                [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                @bpl

                                                                                                                                                Man, I dont know what to say. If someone can't see what's 100m down the road, what do you even say?

                                                                                                                                                "Maybe don't drive."?!? 😄

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                                                                                                                                                [?]bpl » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                                I do not think that it is a good comparison, even if there will be something 100 meters down the road, I will "experience" it quickly and directly. If I live in let's say Maine, the fact that someone converts drinking water into a waste in Utah does not affect me directly, I still have drinking water and consequences maybe will hit me in the future. Or will not at all.

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                                                                                                                                                  [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                  @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                  @bpl

                                                                                                                                                  I'll admit it's an exaggeration, but accomplishing goals in the short-term with no regard to long-term consequences is still foolish and myopic.

                                                                                                                                                  FOSS is not about code. FOSS isn't really that much about software.

                                                                                                                                                  It's a virtue thing.

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                                                                                                                                                  [?]bpl » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                  @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                                  I could only wish that more devs would understand that.

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                                                                                                                                                    [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                    @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                    @bpl

                                                                                                                                                    Forgive the religious analogy (if that's a dicey subject for you), but I'm reminded of the saying, "Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees*).

                                                                                                                                                    Destructive ideology and praxis worm their way in a little at a time, but the opposite is also true! A handful of people with noble aims and character can truly affect change a little at a time, and it can grow organically.

                                                                                                                                                    So be that noble person. I believe in you. =)

                                                                                                                                                    * Necessary disclaimer that the harsh criticism against "the Pharisees" is located in its particular time, and is in the context of criticizing abuse and empathic gaps among the wealthy and powerful in that time, and is not a criticism of Judaism itself, or even of religious figures in general.

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                                                                                                                                                    [?]bpl » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                    @bpl@snac.bsd.cafe

                                                                                                                                                    The only thing we left with is the hope.

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                                                                                                                                                      [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                      @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                      @bpl

                                                                                                                                                      Oh, we've got a lot more than just hope, my friend, but this hope is an anchor for our souls. :D

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                                                                                                                                                      [?]retro » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                      @retro@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                      @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                      SLOpS : Simple Linux Operating System

                                                                                                                                                        [?]Moses Izumi » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                        @moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org

                                                                                                                                                        @rl_dane
                                                                                                                                                        Surprised that the backlash hasn't lead to someone assembling a desktop-oriented NetBSD.
                                                                                                                                                        - disk encryption in the installer
                                                                                                                                                        - GUI frontend for PKGIN
                                                                                                                                                        - maybe even Wine, when @hikari releases Loss32 (it'd be funny to have a BSD that catered to disgruntled Windows users more directly than any Linux)

                                                                                                                                                        cc @AnachronistJohn

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                                                                                                                                                          [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                          @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                          @moses_izumi @hikari @AnachronistJohn

                                                                                                                                                          #NetBSD definitely deserves some love for being one of the very few, and perhaps the most featureful Operating Systems that has a strong #NOAi stance.❤️‍🔥

                                                                                                                                                          I definitely want to start supporting them. I need to get on that.

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                                                                                                                                                            [?]Bitslingers-R-Us » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                            @AnachronistJohn@zia.io

                                                                                                                                                            @rl_dane @moses_izumi @hikari It’s a difficult thing to gauge what’s most desirable. For instance, NetBSD has no ability to install and run NVIDIA drivers, unlike FreeBSD and Linux. Some think that’s a bad thing, and some consider it a good thing.

                                                                                                                                                            In the case of “AI”, people say NetBSD will be left behind, but that’s a story we’ve heard for ages and will continue to hear. After all, Debian folks, in spite of all their funding and their corporate paid developers, can’t support non-mainstream things, like 32 bit x86, and seriously suggest dropping portability because it costs them too much time and energy.

                                                                                                                                                            So if NetBSD can support VAX, SuperH, Alpha, 32 bit x86, m68k and others, but Debian is having trouble supporting just six architectures, I think NetBSD is doing something right.

                                                                                                                                                            The problem with NetBSD being a good replacement desktop OS is that it runs well on the hardware it supports, so if you choose your hardware for NetBSD, you’ll likely be happy. But you can’t just assume that you’ll get accelerated video or that your wifi card will work on any randomly chosen system.

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                                                                                                                                                              [?]DHeadshot's Alt » 🔓
                                                                                                                                                              @ddlyh@topspicy.social

                                                                                                                                                              @rl_dane Has the slop got to yet?

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                                                                                                                                                                @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                                @ddlyh

                                                                                                                                                                No idea, but there's always the kernel. I dunno.

                                                                                                                                                                No zero-sum game. We do the best we can, and try to make the principled stance as much as we're able.

                                                                                                                                                                "All or Nothing" is the anti-rallying-cry of the soulless usurers that would rather you not even try.

                                                                                                                                                                Forget that junk. :D

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                                                                                                                                                                [?]Patrick Georgi » 🔓
                                                                                                                                                                @patrick@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                @rl_dane @ddlyh I'm squarely in the camp "there no chance for non-Win/Lin/Mac to catch up on drivers, workarounds for hardware bugs, and architecture support", so yeah, the kernel is something to live with. NetBSD is famous for "runs on your toaster", but I'm not sure if that's even still true for stuff newer than, let's say, 2015.

                                                                                                                                                                Linux has a better chance to run on non-x86 stuff that "new"…

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                                                                                                                                                                  [?]R.L. Dane :Debian: :OpenBSD: :FreeBSD: 🍵 :MiraLovesYou: [he/him/my good fellow] » 🔓
                                                                                                                                                                  @rl_dane@polymaths.social

                                                                                                                                                                  @patrick @ddlyh

                                                                                                                                                                  A hybrid solution is your best bet. I run #FreeBSD, #OpenBSD, and various #Linux distros as the case requires. We set sail for the most virtuous heading we can manage, and we muddle along and pick up new skills along the way. It's a journey. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                  If #NetBSD doesn't work on a particular bit of hardware, maybe try Open, then Free, then maybe try a principled #Linux distro like #Slackware or #Void. If you end up with Ubuntu or something, hey, you did your best.

                                                                                                                                                                  Keep chipping away at the problem. :D

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                                                                                                                                                                    [?]Smudge The Insult Cat 🐀 » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                    @SmudgeTheInsultCat@mas.to

                                                                                                                                                                    Mark Pahlow @mcpheeceo Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. (Sign) REFUSE TO BE STORED IN BLACK PLASTIC SACKS AND PLACED IN THE CONTAINERS PROVIDED

                                                                                                                                                                    Alt...Mark Pahlow @mcpheeceo Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. (Sign) REFUSE TO BE STORED IN BLACK PLASTIC SACKS AND PLACED IN THE CONTAINERS PROVIDED

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                                                                                                                                                                    [?]Lars Lehtonen KJ6CBE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                    @alrs@lsngl.us

                                                                                                                                                                    The Holy Bible, Darth Vader Edition

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                                                                                                                                                                    [?]Metin Seven 🎨 » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                    @metin@graphics.social

                                                                                                                                                                    Meme, showing a continuous circle of data breach messages from corporations… Ahaha you're not gonna believe this but we had a bit of a data breach. Your data is probably for sale online now. That means someone could easily impersonate you. Going forward we're gonna need more of your data to make sure its you.

                                                                                                                                                                    Alt...Meme, showing a continuous circle of data breach messages from corporations… Ahaha you're not gonna believe this but we had a bit of a data breach. Your data is probably for sale online now. That means someone could easily impersonate you. Going forward we're gonna need more of your data to make sure its you.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      It's 1998, you make a website in the copy of frontpage express that came with your computer, it's just like Word and it's very easy, you figure out how to upload it to the couple megs of web space that your ISP gives you (the instructions are on their website), you visit your site in your browser and everything's fine and the site's readable and everything looks the way it should

                                                                                                                                                                      🦝 "Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026" you think to yourself for some reason

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      The site works fine but sometimes you get email from guys - always guys - telling you that the code sucks because you used frontpage express

                                                                                                                                                                      You don't bother replying because it doesn't matter, the site works fine, but this does discourage you somewhat, so you get a copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver on CD from a guy outside the computer market. His stall was a tarp on the ground.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Dreamweaver is WAY better than frontpage! It shows you the HTML code side by side with the website, so when you move things around you can see how that changes the code. Pretty neat! Doesn't matter, but pretty neat! You can see what the tedious guys were talking about now, the code that frontpage made was a real mess, so you tidy it up just to avoid getting angry emails from weirdos about shit that doesn't matter

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      After a little while you start spending more time in the code bit 'cause your brain's gotten fucked to the point where it's easier to type out <b>shit like this</b> than to hit the Bold button

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      A little while later you start getting different emails

                                                                                                                                                                      You've been laying out your site in tables, is the thing, and there's this new thing now, cascading style sheets, and you can use those for laying out your site. Does Dreamweaver do those? I dunno. Does Frontpage? Oh almost definitely not

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You're also getting shitty emails about using frames. Which is weird because that's literally what everybody uses, you don't want to copy/paste all your section links across every single page of your website and then update every one every time you make a new page, so you make the navigation Once and you put it in a frame. But the most tedious men in the world are now telling you frames are no good

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You learn about server-side includes, your server doesn't do that of course, your five megabytes of server space are free, they came with your free internet access. So you keep using frames, but it does bother you.

                                                                                                                                                                      You join a web design newsgroup. You ask a question, how come my site does this weird thing in Netscape? The answer: "Probably because you coded it badly." You leave the web design newsgroup.

                                                                                                                                                                      You're beginning to understand that there's a lot of money in this.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You make some money.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You do a few websites for friends, family, local businesses, you make a little bit of money.

                                                                                                                                                                      You didn't need a degree, for this. You didn't need to pay to go on a course and get a bit of paper, there WERE no bits of paper then, you could learn it for free and the websites you built were proof that you could build a website.

                                                                                                                                                                      That scared some folks?

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Between all these things you learned Flash, which was a wonderful bit of software that let you make ANYTHING, and you also learned cascading style sheets, which, I cannot stress this enough, were complete fucking dogshit.

                                                                                                                                                                      Like, it's good today, it's normal today, it's the standard way of doing things today - but back then, it sucked so hard that web designers with a decade of experience would crank out articles about trying to achieve "the Holy Grail of web design," which was three columns, a header, and a footer, with stuff in the middle bit and links in the left bit and maybe some other links in the right bit, that didn't fuck up in some hilarious or obscure way. Shit that was trivial and intuitive with tables, but absolutely fucking impossible with CSS.

                                                                                                                                                                      It made everything harder, and it would be over a DECADE before anything got easier.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      During this time, web editors like Frontpage and Dreamweaver just outright fucking gave up. You don't drag and drop anymore, you don't highlight text and ctrl-I for italics anymore, it's all code, except instead of <i> for italics it's <em> now.

                                                                                                                                                                      What does <em> do? It adds emphasis. How does it add emphasis? By making the text italic. It's this way because you might not want your emphasized text to be italic, you might want it to have a drop shadow or be bright red or some shit like that, and the idea of divorcing the content from the presentation was kinda the Whole Deal of CSS, so that kiiiinda makes sense, in the way that a lot of early CSS kiiiiinda made sense

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You validate your site's valid HTML with some bastard online tool because you've seen the badges on other sites saying "Valid XHTML!" like it matters. You spend some evenings cleaning up your old websites so that they pass the validation and you can get that badge and display it proudly on your site. After you've spent fucking hours doing so, your site looks and loads absolutely identically to how it did before, but now you're part of a club of people who are Doing It Properly

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      The thing that constantly nags at the back of your mind is that nobody cares about the difference between tables and CSS except **other web designers,** and Absolutely Nobody cares what web designers think, you should know, you've been doing it as a full time job for several years at this point

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      You play some Flash games, that's fun. You MAKE some Flash games, that's even more fun. See, Flash was a drawing and animation app made for artists who wanted to fuck around and make cartoons, which means they made it so simple that anybody could get to grips with it and start making animations within two cups of tea, but then someone at the lab tripped over his sideburns and spilled a cauldron of programming language into it, and then you could program Whole Ass Games in it

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      The whole CSS thing was a huge mess but that CSS Zen Garden website was trying its best to sort of explain its benefits and you were just starting to come around to this new, worse, more complicated way of doing things that might nonetheless let you do some neat tricks (although not as cool as flash obvs)

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      So there was this weird situation where the Open Standard, the libre open source shit, the anyone-can-make-it-in-notepad shit, was the realm of very boring websites, and the proprietary, locked-down, $600 to get started software was where art met anarchy. The proper fun, the proper expression of humanity and experimentation with interactive web content and making not just new stories but new ways to tell them, was happening in Flash, which was being bought out by giant evil megacorp inc.

                                                                                                                                                                      The reason for this is two things, first Flash was WAY easier, and second my friend with a tarp full of CD-R's from earlier in the thread

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Early smartphones were coming online around about then, and they weren't so hot with the whole flash thing. Like, it'd work, kinda, you'd miss out on all the cool rollover effects because you had to poke the screen with a little stick and it was just a resistive touchscreen, it didn't know you were hovering the stick over the screen.

                                                                                                                                                                      For example, say you'd made a website for a local club of friendly motorcycle gentlemen whose navigation menu was a series of steel plates overlaid against the backdrop of a beating heart that was also a V8 engine. As you moved your mouse over the links, each link would rust over, the heart would rev up and get excited, and then when you actually clicked on a link, the whole thing would explode. On a smartphone, the engine heart wouldn't rev up, it'd just explode for seemingly no reason. But, y'know, it worked, we could make it work, and motorcycle gentlemen don't need no fucking professional white background with a pale blue header y'know

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      This needs to be a blog post, this really needs to be a blog post, I spaffed out the first post in the thread off the top of my head and then went and had dinner and fucked around a bit and then came back and carried on and didn't notice that the first post was blowing up

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway then the iphone came out and fucked everything up

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      See the iPhone was fucking shit compared to other smartphones at the time, like it was YEARS behind, but apple did that thing where, like, remember how they did it with MP3 players? Instead of saying stuff like "four gigs of space, six hour battery life" they said "A thousand songs in your pocket and you don't have to fuck around with CDs," while all the other MP3 player makers were fighting over people who already knew about MP3 players, apple targeted people who'd never used an MP3 player before, and that's what they did with their smartphone.

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway it didn't have a keyboard, it couldn't do flash, and you couldn't even copy and paste on the fucker but it sold like buggery because the adverts didn't say shit like "600mHz processor and 256 megs of RAM," they said "The internet in your pocket."

                                                                                                                                                                      Now you can't make just one website anymore, you have to make two websites, and suddenly the point of all this CSS stuff becomes clear

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      So now you're making two websites, one for proper computers and one for shitty little three-inch screens.

                                                                                                                                                                      This is the point where, let's be honest, most folk check the fuck out. Myspace is a thing now, livejournal is a thing now, if you <tr><td>'d your way into one website and it took you fucking ages you sure as fuck weren't gonna make two unless you understand that fancy new CSS shit.

                                                                                                                                                                      I understood that fancy new CSS shit. But fucking hell, even at the time I knew, despite how AAALLLLL the websites about making websites had been banging on about CSS for ages, despite how all the bloggers were saying hey look this is definitely the way forward, I knew that knowing how to use CSS for layout put me in an EXTREME minority. The web wasn't for quiet uncles or excitable kids with a pirated copy of dreamweaver off the tarp outside the Manchester computer fair anymore, it was for fucking nerds with notepad++ who'd gotten interested in web standards. It was for people like me.

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not fond of people like me

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      The barrier to entry was raised, is the point, the internet became five shit websites posting screenshots of the other four because the technical barrier to entry was raised, from "Find a guy outside a computer market and pay him a fiver" to "Learn to code. Also learn to code two websites for every one website. Actually four websites now because dark mode."

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      But here's the thing. I made money making websites. I suspect a lot of people here, on this most nerdiest of social networks, made money making websites. And for a while, there was LOTS of competition for people who wanted to make money making websites. For a while, round my way at least, people used to say "I'm a web designer" as a synonym for "I'm unemployed," 'cause any random sod who was halfway-handy with a computer could make a website and if you don't have a job then you have more time to figure out how to make websites.

                                                                                                                                                                      We weren't special, we were just fucking unemployed. Knowing how to use a computer and make a website wasn't something that set anyone apart in a sea of other people who figured out to make websites because they didn't have a job. You had to compete based on How Beautiful And Interesting Can You Make A Website

                                                                                                                                                                      (at least until websites weren't beautiful anymore)

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Raising the barrier to entry wasn't just down to, like, "Oh it's because phones" or "Fucking facebook and amazon," it was us. It was, like, "See this badge that leads to a code validation page, that means I actually know what I'm doing," it was shit like saying "Domain name" instead of "Web address" and when too many people knew what a domain name was we started saying "DNS Zone," it was telling people for fuck's sake don't go giving money to folk who still make websites using pirated copies of dreamweaver, give money to me instead because I know how to make a website the Incredibly Boring way.

                                                                                                                                                                      Our, Nerd Fucking Desire to be Special.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      We made website-making harder, to show that we can do a thing that's very hard and that normal people can't do.

                                                                                                                                                                      Elitism. But, like, very very petty elitism.

                                                                                                                                                                      Making a website should be the easiest fucking thing in the world by now. There should be a program that you can use to spit out a website as easy as Word spits out words on paper, and we - us fucking foss nerds or whoever - should've made it.

                                                                                                                                                                      It probably would've made shit HTML code soup but so long as it worked, it wouldn't matter, nobody would care, just like nobody cared that Frontpage put out shit HTML code soup.

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, nobody cared except the likes of us, and look where that got us.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Is there a spec yet for including a HTML page inside another HTML page, without fucking around with javascript or php or server-side includes or whatever? A thing people wanted to do on their freeserve.co.uk subdomain in 1997? Just like, <include src="navigation.html">, or is that making things too easy?

                                                                                                                                                                      'cause fucking hell, we don't want things to be too easy, do we

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      This shouldn't have been a blog post, it should've been a podcast haha, it meanders and doesn't have a point and there's a lot of growling and yelling, good thing I don't have a microphone and also know that something like 99.9% of podcasts are one episode long and this would be my episode

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyway I see the first post of this thread is continuing to blow up 'cause of folk who didn't know it'd go to horrible uncomfortable "We blew it all up" places, I'll see if everyone's mad at me in the morning

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      oh god it's morning

                                                                                                                                                                      I got a toot hangover and too many replies to read

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      It's 2026 and you're doing a thread late at night in a flow state of heightened emotion, 100mph jabbing at the keyboard, a gibbering goblin bloodshot eyes in the cold monitor light, surf the wave and thrash the keyboard no think just post

                                                                                                                                                                      It's 2026 and you follow the crowd to see what all the fuss is about, haha looks like someone got themselves really wound up last night - oh shit it was me

                                                                                                                                                                      Don't gibbering manifesto before bed kids

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      A lotta replyguys missing the point of this thread

                                                                                                                                                                      🐹 Just learn HTML, it's not that hard
                                                                                                                                                                      🐼 Wordpress is pretty okay I guess
                                                                                                                                                                      🦊 It doesn't take much command-line knowledge to work a static site generator

                                                                                                                                                                      🦝 Cool, you know how to make websites, so do I. The point is that *the internet becomes boring and shit when only people like us get to make websites.*

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Dan Fixes Coin-Ops » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                      It's difficult not to go down the rabbithole of "What we need is a really really good well-written HTML/CSS tutorial, I'll go write one" rabbithole, or "What if there was a lovely template that worked on desktop or mobile and was commented out the wazoo with an open invitation to use it" junk, those things already exist, when what the internet REALLY needs is

                                                                                                                                                                      * a modern WYSIWYG website maker

                                                                                                                                                                      * that is free

                                                                                                                                                                      * that normal people can use

                                                                                                                                                                      * that everybody knows about, either because it came with your computer or someone told you about it

                                                                                                                                                                      * that comes with a bunch of free hosts pre-programmed in

                                                                                                                                                                      * that the AVERAGE PERSON (IE not anyone who'll ever read this post) can use to make a website in an evening or two

                                                                                                                                                                      * (EDIT because I know FOSS people are reading this) That has a good name, not the worst most ridiculous fucking unpronounceable garbage name you've ever heard of, a name that you'd be comfortable or even proud saying in public or on television, don't call it KWebExtruder or Martin'sKoolHTMLPooper or xhngthfffrrr or some shit like that

                                                                                                                                                                      If this sounds bananas it's because you didn't use this exact program in the late 90's

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                                                                                                                                                                      [?]Jesse Skinner [he/him] » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                      @JesseSkinner@toot.cafe

                                                                                                                                                                      @ifixcoinops reading Tim Berners-Lee's book, he created a program like this alongside the first browser. He never intended or expected humans to be writing HTML tags by hand!

                                                                                                                                                                        [?]Guillaume Ross » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                        @g@irrelephant.co

                                                                                                                                                                        @ifixcoinops This thread was a great read.

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                                                                                                                                                                          [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                          @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                                          @ifixcoinops@retro.social

                                                                                                                                                                          First it was Frontpage, then along came NetObjects Fusion.

                                                                                                                                                                            [?]MDMRN » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                            @mdmrn@urusai.social

                                                                                                                                                                            Faith, Christianity [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                                                                                                                                            So...after church this past Sunday I ended up writing an entire thing that feels like a sermon on the same passage our Pastor preached on because I had a very different set of thoughts on the passage we read.

                                                                                                                                                                            Acts 19:21-41

                                                                                                                                                                            I just...now need to figure out what to do with this thing I have written.

                                                                                                                                                                            🤔

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                                                                                                                                                                              [?]Neil Hopkins » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                              @satsuma@dice.camp

                                                                                                                                                                              Faith, Christianity [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                                                                                                                                              @mdmrn do you have a parish magazine or a blog you could send it to?

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                                                                                                                                                                                [?]MDMRN » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                @mdmrn@urusai.social

                                                                                                                                                                                re: Faith, Christianity [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                                                                                                                                                @satsuma None of the above. May have to find a place for myself to post things. 🤔

                                                                                                                                                                                  [?]Daniel Johnson » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                  @ossobuffo@deacon.social

                                                                                                                                                                                  Faith, Christianity [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                                                                                                                                                  @mdmrn I’m a bit puzzled how someone could have a “hot take” on that particular passage. I’d be interested in reading what you’ve written.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    [?]MDMRN » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                    @mdmrn@urusai.social

                                                                                                                                                                                    re: Faith, Christianity [SENSITIVE CONTENT]

                                                                                                                                                                                    @ossobuffo Not necessarily a hot take, per se. But a different take than I heard on Sunday at my church.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                      @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                                                      @mdmrn@urusai.social

                                                                                                                                                                                      That section about Diana idol makers applies as much to the modern Church as it did to the pagan predecessors of the church. The 'virgin mary' is Artemis, AKA Diana. The 'virgin mary' is NOT Miriam the mother of Jesus of Nazareth.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Those who point out the mariolatry and virgin worship of the Church are hated in the same way the pagan craftsmen wanted to protect their lucrative trade. Now the bishopric has a lucrative trade in parishoners.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Nothing new under the sun.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        [?]Thom Aster » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                        @thomaster@mastodon.social

                                                                                                                                                                                        The UK just announced they'll scan every photo on your phone to "protect children." The problem? "Proof of age" isn't defined. No legislation. No spec. No limits. This is surveillance infrastructure with no defined end state.

                                                                                                                                                                                        thomaster.substack.com/p/the-u

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                                                                                                                                                                                          [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                          @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                                                          yup. seen this coming for years.

                                                                                                                                                                                          watch out for the controlled opposition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            [?]Thom Aster » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                            @thomaster@mastodon.social

                                                                                                                                                                                            @octade Is there any that haven't been captured at this point?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                              @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                                                              No kidding.

                                                                                                                                                                                              They roll out the fake opposition beforehand to capture in advance.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              [?]Thom Aster » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                              @thomaster@mastodon.social

                                                                                                                                                                                              @octade That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I traced this plan that's at play back to 1937, I'm sure it goes back further.

                                                                                                                                                                                                [?]Dustrial » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                                @dustrial.net@bsky.brid.gy

                                                                                                                                                                                                Warriors of light and dark

                                                                                                                                                                                                Sybil Danning - The Phantom Empire (1988)

                                                                                                                                                                                                Alt...Sybil Danning - The Phantom Empire (1988)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                [?]OCTADE » 🌐
                                                                                                                                                                                                @octade@soc.octade.net

                                                                                                                                                                                                When religions mandate a dress code for women, why can't they mandate something like this?

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