soc.octade.net is a Fediverse instance that uses the ActivityPub protocol. In other words, users at this host can communicate with people that use software like Mastodon, Pleroma, Friendica, etc. all around the world.
This server runs the snac software and there is no automatic sign-up process.
I haven't been attending #FLOSS events much for two main reasons. Firstly, because I found having to pay for attendance discriminating and against the spirit of #FreeSoftware. Secondly, because staying away from home for a few days posed problems. So I've been only attending local events that were open.
However, nowadays I doubt that I'm even going to continue that. I don't feel at home with the wider community anymore. What's for me, between nazi enablers and their apologists?
Perhaps it's time for dedicated #NoAI events.
*cough*
#NoSlop / #NoAI / #AInt / #NeverSlop folks, it's time to put our money where our mouths are. (As you're able)
I was laid off a few months back. Most of my experience is in web development, mostly backend and some full stack. I want to get a job in building tools, compilers, write C, C++, Zig or Rust. How do I pivot from web development to systems programming? I'm willing to restart as an entry level developer.
So, my move to a BSD isn't going as quickly as I would like, and I wanted to get off of Debian since the whole vote to go pro-AI debacle. I figured moving to a Linux distribution that has a very strong anti-AI policy would be the right choice until I can get a BSD installed properly on my desktop or extra laptop. More than a year ago, I tried @elementary. It's an awesome project but I could never get my workflow working with the desktop environment. Most definitely not the fault of Elementary. I just have a weird workflow. Earlier today, I decided to give the latest release another try. I'm going to keep it on here and actually work with the desktop environment, instead of giving up after a day.
The project is staunchly anti-AI. And that is important to me. I know the Linux kernel is tainted but unless we want to fork the kernel from a version prior to Torvalds allowing the use of AI, we're just going to have to deal with it. I don't like it, but I'm no developer and who in the world would want to take on a forked project as big as the Linux kernel? Yikes!
Anyway, I'm really liking how I have Elementary setup on my ThinkPad T14 and I'm going to keep using it for now. Who knows? It might keep me on Linux with one piece of my hardware even after moving to BSD.
If you or I hacked Medicare, we'd face jail time. An OpenAI agent did it in June, and right now nobody may ever have to answer for it. Please share the campaign to help us build pressure on the government to act!
Sign the petition! Boost!
Yeah, so about software developers today.
I recall that back in middle school there was a time that our Polish teacher got angry that the students aren't reading the books they were required to read and started asking every single pupil to summarize what the book was about. She went according to how we sat, and spared no one, grading every answer.
Needless to say, I haven't seen the book or even a summary of it (at the time, it was common for students to buy summary books). However, I sat somewhere near the middle of the class, so before my turn came, at least a few other people answered something, for better or worse. I've listened to their answers, combined them into a coherent story and got a good grade as a result. I think the teacher may have even suggested that unlike my other classmates, I actually read the book.
All I did was mix the previous answers to produce something coherent. And that didn't make me consider myself to be knowledgeable about the book. So why are you calling yourself software developers, again?
Zero days since I regret filing a bug since it meant that some random asshole used life-destroying, nazi-supporting #slop machine to (checks notes) perform a two-line change that was precisely suggested in the bug report and add a test case that was also literally given on the bug. Well, at least they added a wall-of-slop explanation to the changes, so they wouldn't have to copy the one sentence explanation given on the bug.
https://github.com/python/typeshed/issues/16442
https://github.com/python/typeshed/pull/16443
Title: Hirakawa Bridge (1929)
Artist: Hiroshi Yoshida
https://metropolisjapan.com/tsukimi/ #ShinHanga #Art #Showa #HiroshiYoshida #Autumn #Moon #FullMoon #NoAi #Tsukimi #Tokyo #Japan
As many of you know, I've been getting back into running BSD after 20 or so years away from it. I'm wanting to get NetBSD running, mainly because of the no-AI policy, but I've been struggling and its frustrated me a bit. Well, to be honest, quite a lot. To get BSD running on my desktop, laptop, and small server, and so I can move away form Linux, I'm going to go ahead and get FreeBSD up and running on my hardware. I know that they have a questionable AI policy but this will get me over to BSD and then I can move from there. Plus, FreeBSD has some really, really good documentation to get me started.
Delightful Animal Care is a curated list of animal care resources for dogs, cats, fish, horses, parrots and other animals.
I curate this list by hand (no LLMs) and it's especially useful to people who'd want to know the best ways to care for their animal the classic way i.e. by reading through expert-written articles, blogs, books, etc.
Site (thanks @smallcircles): https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-animal-care/
Source: https://codeberg.org/omkar-foss/delightful-animal-care
There could be different signs that projects are becoming #slopware. Some are more obvious, like having agent instructions that are more detailed than anything they ever wrote to humans. Some are less clear but perhaps even more ominous, like largely mature projects suddenly starting to churn out two releases a day, often with regressions that I don't even care to report anymore.
I used to think that my work as a #Gentoo packager was important. Now I feel that a large part of it resembles sitting at the end of a sewage pipe and trying to scrape something meaningful out of it all.
Okay, tomorrow I will be back to work trying to get @netbsd installed either on my desktop or laptop. I took a break for a week but I really need to get this done. After 30 years, I think I am done with Linux. I'm struggling to move on, but I know it's the right thing to do.
For my small home server, I'm not sure what to install on it just yet. I know that I can get FreeBSD going rather quickly but there's the AI issue. Would NetBSD be a good option for the server, as well?
FYI, #StackOverflow is running a "customer satisfaction" survey now. You may tell them how dissatisfied you are with what they're doing. Not that their agents are going to care, or even accurately report what you say.
Saying this as someone who was a regular contributor and a community member many years back, but not anymore.
I'm seriously thinking about going back to using FVWM for Linux and when I finally get NetBSD running properly. I have no idea where the major Desktop Environments stand on the use of AI in their projects. I hear rumors but then can never find any info on the subject. It's frustrating.
And I'm only "sort of" joking about going back to using FVWM. Actually, I'm not joking at all.
I've done a fair bit of tmux development over the years.
Here's the last version (tmux-3.6a) before any known AI was introduced:
https://codeberg.org/opentmux/opentmux
IRC is where it's at for chatter:
`#opentmux` on irc.libera.chat
I'm absolutely willing to maintain this and make it available, etc.
Depends on how much appetite there is for it.
Title: Sunset at Lake Sai (1938)
Artist: Tsuchiya Koitsu
https://sleepytalesofjapan.com/blog/fuji-five-lakes-born-from-fire/ #ShinHanga #Art #NoAi #Showa #MtFuji #Fuji #MountFuji #FujiGoKo #LakeSai #Yamanashi #Japan
Okay, let's get this straight. I have trouble taking compliments for my work.
I was raised in 1990s Poland, you could say it was on the border between two eras. It was a time of newly realized freedom, when people thought that the possibilities were now endless and you had to grab them, you had to compete for them.
You didn't compliment kids for their work, that would spoil them. You could compliment kids for their looks (not me, though, I apparently had "other qualities"). But not for their successes; you instead pointed out where they didn't succeed, or that they could do even better. Because that obviously motivates them to try harder, rather than causes them to stop trying at all, because what's the point. And of course you never complimented your employees, because they never deserved that, they were always the lazy little bastards, undeserving of the job you've given them, only looking how to steal your money. Well, you get my point.
So when I started interacting with people from other cultures, it's been a shock. I've been raised to be an asshole. Fortunately, at least some of them knew this part of "Eastern European" culture and bore with me. And I've got compliments, and real gratification, and my mindset slowly started changing. Honestly, when someone compliments me for my work, I still am uneasy and distrustful (are they being sarcastic?), but I can believe it's honest.
And here comes all the messed up #AI hype, and bootlicking machines. And most of them are mass generating false compliments and pleasantries, and what not. And people are repasting this slop everywhere, and learning from it, and talking like it. And now, whenever I see people being nice, I'm not just uneasy. I keep wondering: is this real, or is it slop? Am I talking to a person, or to a bot? Is this actually being nice, or is it awfully disrespectful?
I'm so tired of this timeline. How do you people stay sane?
The Linux mainline kernel itself contains AI code now. It's officially allowed as long as it's disclosed as such. Thus, you will have to avoid literally all servers running on Linux.
https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html
NetBSD has very strict rules regarding AI-generated code. But it doesn't rule AI-generated code out out of principle because it's AI-generated; it only wants to be safe that nothing that's actually GPL-licensed is slipped in. So, if you're an 100%, ultra-hardcode anti-AI extremist, avoid what few servers run on NetBSD.
https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html
OpenBSD contains AI-generated code, too. And it has no official stance regarding it. So servers running on OpenBSD are taboo, too.
https://www.osnews.com/story/144935/openbsd-and-slopcode-raindrop-to-a-torrent/
FreeBSD has no stance on AI whatsoever that I could find. However, apparently, the FreeBSD community loves to integrate Claude Code into their systems for automation purposes:
https://aumont.fr/posts/claude-code-freebsd/
https://discoverbsd.com/p/8a7660c31b
But you'll also have to look at the userland, the Web server, the database driver etc.
MariaDB allows AI code. You can safely assume that all MySQL databases on Web servers out there are actually powered by MariaDB.
https://mariadb.org/governance/governance-ai-policy/
Oracle MySQL can integrate AI, so it's safe to assume it contains AI-generated code.
https://blogs.oracle.com/mysql/announcing-mysql-ai
PostgreSQL probably allows AI code, too. There are even tools for it.
https://github.com/timescale/pg-aiguide
SQLite is very popular amongst AI users while not having any rules on AI-generated code. Assume it to be tainted.
This leaves you with only one choice: Self-hosting a personal, single-user snac2 server because snac2 doesn't need any database whatsoever. In fact, snac2 is staunchly against AI. And it runs on NetBSD.
https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2
But then there's the Web server. Apache may allow AI-generated code if it has been reviewed and made sure that it does not contain anything that's incompatible with the Apache-2.0 license.
https://www.apache.org/legal/generative-tooling.html
nginx welcomes AI and advertises itself as ready for AI, and it takes no anti-AI-code stance. It's most likely already tainted.
https://www.f5.com/de_de/products/nginx.
This basically leaves you with no Web server guaranteed to be 100% free from AI-generated code to run snac2 on. But that doesn't matter because it's impossible to build a Web server devoid of any AI code to install snac2 on.
By the way: Mastodon itself explicitly allows AI code if it's disclosed as such, and if its contributor understands it.
https://github.com/mastodon/.github/blob/main/AI_POLICY.md
In other words, next to all Mastodon servers are running
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boostedJust published "NetBSD 11 from scratch". I had a lot of fun writing it while diving into the internals of this great operating system. Hope you enjoy it and find it useful.
Happy hacking! 👇
https://meanmicio.org/2026/09/06/netbsd-11-from-scratch/
#NetBSD #encryption #CGD #privacy #noAI #OpenScience
Do we already have a term for people whose ability to reason has seriously deteriorated after they started relying on #AI? If not, I propose slopbrain.
On a totally different topic, am I missing something here or is the maintainer plain wrong? https://github.com/tox-dev/toml-fmt/issues/450#issuecomment-5489314881
Seriously, you need a stupid #LLM to post a two-sentence comment now?
https://github.com/pnuckowski/aioresponses/pull/292#issuecomment-5482424238
Funny how the #Debian project only seems to have a bot here on the #Fediverse and not a full account where we can tag them relentlessly and remind them nonstop about their constant fuckup.
But I'll do it anyway. *ahem*
Dear Debian project leaders:
YA FUCKED UP REAL BAD THIS TIME!!
All you had to do was take a stance and instead you pussyfooted on the whole "no LLM code stance" and took this mealymouthed approach!
I hope all your cats hate you!
p » 🌐
@p@hj.9fs.net
#neverslop #ai #antislop #kitto #comic #fediart #mastoart #art #noai #killcomputers
So if you think you can "just" solve the destruction of infrastructure done by #AI crawlers, think again.
Konstantin Ryabitsev, Creepy crawlies
https://people.kernel.org/monsieuricon/creepy-crawlies
"""
Today, git.kernel.org receives about 6M daily requests demanding to see random commits. Of these, 66% are still immediately batted away with the Anubis challenge, but 33% are now solving the math and getting through to the main site — because apparently what we have to offer is worth spending a ton of cycles to calculate the Anubis challenge.
It's impossible to tell with certainty which of these are bots and which are real humans — but chances are, if it's asking for an old commit in a random old fork, it's probably not a real developer trying to do their work.
With a bunch of generous assumptions, legitimate requests are only about 2% of git.kernel.org traffic — everything else are scrapers.
"""
I made a list of websites that offer royalty-free, human-made images for your blogs and social media posts. I’ll keep the list updated over time.
Use these images instead of #AISlop! No more excuses!
Please reply with additional sites and I’ll add them to the list.
#AI bros be like:
Of course I'm opposed to slavery! I wouldn't even have thought of owning a slave! Nobody should be allowed to enslave people!
Why are you picking on the fact that I'm using slave labor from these companies? Why should I sacrifice my convenience when others are going to be using their services anyway! They're still going to keep enslaving people whether i use their services or not. In fact, I'm actually doing a good thing, because I'm using that to make a positive contribution to the world! The problem of slavery really needs to be solved at state level.
Besides, I'm pretty sure that thanks to the developments in slavery soon enough we'd be able to ethically own a small number of local slaves.
Thanks to community driven projects like @netbsd we can take back the joy and ethics in computing. I'm in! ❤️🤗
Thank you for this wonderful operating system, and for keeping it away from Big tech LLM / GenAI.
#noAI #LLM #NetBSD
https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html
I remember well my self-finding periods as a teenager by writing "horrible" #diaries. No stuff to be read by others but what helped me to become me.
Very late in life, I relearn how much it can help to write little #diary notes against the feeling of being overwhelmed. Each crooked selfmade sentence helps hundreds of times more than chatting with a slop bot.
@feld Actually I don't think actual Librarians as a class would be pissed off ... they're very aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the systems around books :-)
It pisses off people who were happy to have a shocking anti-AI story that they didn't have to think about before repeating.
Sadly, thinking-before-repeating is a dying skill. #noai has lots of very valid reasons. I'm not uncomfortable with "book destruction" not being one of them :-)
.. out of 10 follow requests in the fediverse I reject about 8.
I reject user accounts that do not even have a profile or their own posts or their own media on their original server page, because I consider them to be of non-human origin until then.
What do I conclude from this?
Even here in the noble fediverse, "social media" shows itself to me as a bubble of vain appearances.
Hardly anything is authentic or truthful anymore and if you post here you make yourself suspicious of untruthfulness like everywhere else!
So how do we want to defend ourselves against this flood of social engineering???
Any suggestions???
#nobot #noai #socialengineering #socialMedia #fediverse #mastodon
Dr Jones here is a damn good presenter of linguistics, and he reports on things without judging or prescribing.
This video is talking about HOW to detect AI output being passed off as human; given that it's based on human language ... what do we look for?
Well, duh ... we look for evidence of *thinking* not just *speaking* ...
#AI is a zombie virus.
There were so many #FreeSoftware projects that were dead and buried with honors, or at least on life support. It was unfortunate. Sometimes it involved a lot of downstream scaffolding to keep everything working. But at least we had warm memories of them and respect to their authors.
And now slop virus is taking them over, one after another. It's pulling them out of their graves or hospital beds, deformed and mutilated. All the warmth is gone. They have no purpose anymore, beyond feeding.
Sometimes this is done by kids who don't understand the first thing about the project they're defiling, who just want to get credit for something important. However, more often this is done by their original maintainers, who not only don't seem to realize their prime time is over, but who are many years detached from honest software development work.
Whenever someone "skeptical" is suddenly "impressed" by something they've done with "AI", I'm like: yes, you'd be surprised how much you can achieve if you just pour billions of dollars, terawatts of electricity, tons of water and plagiarise everything created by everyone who ever lived.
But if we spent that money making people not miserable, surely you won't get anything impressive.
The Anakin Skywalker of web browsers just keeps speedrunning further and further into this shit. Just fucking get into the black armor already, what dontcha??
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-exa-partnership/
This shit writes itself. This is so beyond parody at this point I can't write about it.
I had an author friend gush, for paragraphs, about how amazing my editing was. It was funny. It was honest. It was developmental juice that didn't have any trouble asserting it's flavor. He begged me to know what LLM I was using because he had other editors use LLMs and they weren't nearly as good or funny or sincere and they didn't seem to understand the work the way I did.
this has got to be the shortest email I've ever written. I replied,
“I used my fucking brain.”
Title: Sacred Bridge, Nikko (1937)
Artist: Hiroshi Yoshida
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20260806/p2a/00m/0na/016000c #ShinHanga #Art #Showa #NoAi #HiroshiYoshida #ShinkyoBridge #NikkoShinkyo #FutarasanJinja #DaiyaRiver #Tochigi #Nikko #Japan
Oh, great. So apparently #Microsoft decided to add "#Copilot Pull Request Reviewer" to my "Authorized #GitHub Apps", behind my back.
If you need to check quick: https://github.com/settings/apps/authorizations
Title: Nikko Futarasan Jinja (1930)
Artist: Koitsu Tsuchiya
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20260813_81/ #ShinHanga #Art #NoAi #Showa #KoitsuTsuchiya #Summer #Rain #Nikko #Japan
Okay, not using "#AI" isn't hard.
It's not like anybody's asking you to switch to a more expensive vegan diet when you've been eating meat all your life and you have a bunch of health issues that make any diet changes hard.
It's more like deciding not to switch from a normal diet to one primarily based on McDonald's just because everyone else thinks it's cool, and also you're going to save some time on cooking (at the cost of driving there and back all the time).
What we're literally asking you to consider is to keep doing things like you do, without engaging in a pointless, expensive, destructive hype just because "everyone" thinks it's so great and it gives you positive reinforcement. It's "you've managed not to be a dork so far, why'd you suddenly want to pay extra to become one?"
If anyone's wondering, #Xfce is a #slop junk now too, and the author is busy writing long excuses for them, with full realization of how harmful they are.
I've taken #Gentoo Bugzilla down, because it was unusable anyway. No point in feeding the #LLM scrapers that are using thousands of different IPv4 addresses, with no obvious patterns I can see.
EDIT: I'm not looking for hints. I'm not a sysadmin, and I don't have time to deal with this shit. I'm just trying to get some useful job done. I'm not supposed to have to be dealing with this.
Title: Lake Hachirogata, Akita (1927)
Artist: Hasui Kawase
https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/features/japan-focus/20260727-340241/ #ShinHanga #Art #NoAi #HasuiKawase #Showa #Summer #Hachirogata #Akita #Japan
If my principles didn't prevent me from doing that, I'd be replying with walls of LLM-generated text of how offended I am whenever someone replies to my bug reports with LLM-generated walls of text.
Also, this is where I lose patience: https://github.com/faust-streaming/cChardet/pull/56#issuecomment-5178676997
Get the Pronounced Jar album and find out what all the hype is about, or miss out on this human made music forever.
#DgarMusic #Music #NoAI
https://ffm.to/pronounced-jar
got a reply from one of the macintosh garden admins - it appears that the site now officially welcomes slop coded submissions. i can't express how disappointed i am with the direction the site has taken with the new ownership. after 15+ years of archival contributions, i'm no longer going to be submitting anything there.
https://macintoshgarden.org/forum/rfc-llmai-project-policy#comment-119699
fellow macintosh garden users:
against my better judgement, i opened up a discussion on an AI/LLM policy for the garden. chime in here, if you'd like to shape the conversation about it:
And this "entitled prospective user" attitude. "I was planning on moving my projects to #Codeberg, but now I won't". Oh, how sad that you won't give them the benefit of using their free services (okay, I'm sure you were going to donate).
Reminds me of the "entitled prospective contributor" attitude in #Gentoo. "You never heard from me before, but I don't like this new policy. There are dozens of new contributors with me, just around the corner, and now we won't be able to contribute." (This was about the copyright policy, so they could have contributed noncontroversially for a long time, yet they never did.)
I'm trying to keep an open mind.
When someone I used to respect starts using LLMs, I'm thinking: okay, their moral compass is bad, but at least they're putting an effort to review that stuff and they're trying to improve other projects.
When that person writes a pro-AI blog post, complaining that people aren't respecting them anymore, I'm still trying to stay neutral.
But honestly, when said person starts ranting that Codeberg dared ban vibecoded shit, I can't but despise them at this point.
In the meantime, #GitPython, the package that used to be dead (because the author is busily working on their next great thing) is now slopping out 4 "security" releases a week, as their #slop machine is busily fixing unintended variable expansion in every single URL they call. Unfortunately, they probably don't have enough tokens to fix them all at once, so instead all downstreams have to deal with the churn of endless security releases. Or the brain to figure out that maybe they could just disable variable expansion by default and solve them all at once.
It's truly a great time to be a #Python packager.
Let's say you're building a house. Normally this involves hiring a whole bunch of experts (either directly or via some company). You need to pay a fair wage for their labor, and you have to pay for all the material they're going to use. Some of them will be more experienced than others. They will sometimes make a mistake. They will sometimes get sick. The whole construction work will probably take a few months, and may get delayed in the process. Some construction material will be wasted. There's also a risk that over the next years, you'll discover that they screwed something up, and have to fix it. But you'll get a reasonably good house.
Now, a kid comes and tells you you don't have to do this. Instead of paying all these people, you can hire him. He's wearing a suit and sunshades. He never laid a brick in his whole life. But he's got this new great technology that will give you a great house in no time. Of course it will cost you, but not as much as the labor of all these people. You try to learn more, and you discover that the technology actually builds and razes a hundred of house-like things a day, until it gets close enough to something that actually resembles a house. There's a lot of wasted energy and material, but you don't have to worry because it's all subsidized (for the time being). You pay less, you get a house that looks just right on the outside and inside, and that seems to work just right.
Of course, there's a real risk that in a few months you'll discover that something is wrong. You may have to pay a lot for a real expert to figure out how things were done, and how to fix them. Or they may not be able to help you. You may be stuck having to call the suit again, and he'll happily come and fix it for you. And by "fix", I mean he will just raze a whole part of the house and start randomly spitting it out again until he gets something that looks about right, and works about right. Of course, it may not really be a good fit for the rest of the house, but you don't want to pay for replacing the whole thing, do you? It may also introduce a completely new issues that will surface in a few months, but that's just how it is.
Welcome to the glorious world of #AI.
Oh nice, #VimClassic is in the #OpenBSD repos! :D
$ doas pkg_add -Vv vim-classic
Update candidates: quirks-7.194 -> quirks-7.194 (0/1)
quirks-7.194 signed on 2026-07-17T22:48:25Z
Ambiguous: choose package for vim-classic
a 0: <None>
1: vim-classic-8.3.0
2: vim-classic-8.3.0-gtk3
3: vim-classic-8.3.0-gtk3-lua
4: vim-classic-8.3.0-gtk3-python3
5: vim-classic-8.3.0-lua
6: vim-classic-8.3.0-python3
Your choice: 1
Let's get this straight: anything created with "AI" is #slop.
It doesn't have to be vibe-coded. It doesn't have to be horrible code. It doesn't matter that you've spent hours perfecting the prompt. It doesn't matter that ten people have spent a week reviewing it in detail.
As long as an "AI" took part in writing it, it's slop. It's an unethical technology, and anything created with it is tainted. It's an inhuman technology, and you're supporting it. You're being disrespectful to your users and contributors. You're putting your own convenience over humanity. You're aiding the worst murderous assholes in the history of humanity. And what's perhaps worst, you quite likely believe that you are making a net positive contribution, that you're helping people, while you're actually disrespecting and harming them.