@kathimmel Really easy to see that until "all" the people (let's say the many or 'common folk') are ducking everything - so then you have to go do something... else you have what you have in Ireland... over-population (even without the race / racism or personal politics)

Those politicians are getting away with financial murder (directly or indirectly) with all money from #EU to house more people in already-poor #Ireland - raking it in (like I mean getting paid tons for it and not spending / giving money to Irish projects).

If it's true #Killarny has around 10,000-1400 people and 3,500 added / imported then it's crazy and have to wonder why so many as a % of extra strangers never mind the #language and #culture... even if they were Irish.

So aside from homeless #Irish... you have people paid to do other stuff without asking the people... (it's covered up - parents not officially / properly asked or even told).

Just too many purely on numbers and then ignoring existing people... money again over people. They'll keep doing that unfortunately and not everyone is comfortable with that. It's a lot like Trump or anything else.

So my question is, from all the tactics and money-bags we can see - when would it be enough for you (asking politely) and what would you do about it when your #politicians clearly don't care?

(any reader welcome as I think doing nothing now is surely not the way)

So #Left or #Liberal or any label that ignores or does near-nothing or has #trust in change without them is perhaps worst or accordingly scared and turning up to anything once a year might seem better even if you're labelled activist racist fascist (and by that I mean "not doing 0 about it" or being #bourgois as mini-lords is worse, which as I think the Left measurably is...)

Just too comfortable paying for problems... Maybe people have different lines and like paying I don't know!

It's not easy (we have all done it sitting back) but when is it enough and where do you go when computer says no and nobody is listening?

Asking without adding too much spice - but if you turn a blind eye for a long time then that is actually (technically) quite the same or more right than left

- so that's why the actions are more to #participate and find out I guess and I guess also you don't just suddenly become EDL for it! That wouldn't be nearly impossible.

Do nice labels to sit into, doing nearly-nothing (which does have it's place _sometimes_) does mean reliably you just get steamrollered or keep getting backed up in corners / cowering from trying to not look like a problem from a problem-creating diversive system... (sorry, it is a bad situation)

Thoughts welcome from neutral / balanced points of view...

Let's go over some of these points, else if you have "no time for it" I don't know what else to say...again things will be unreplie.

The rest below was cut out but left them in if you want more but I imagine this is more than enough and all the work most of us MUST DO since we are all way behind / fooled / lied to for years already...

(optionally more below)

#ModernPeople just don't want to even talk about or thinking continuing to work their job is responsible enough let alone deeply debate... that's what I think is done by people out there - talking - else you box yourself in and get out of touch naturally.

I'm not sure a;; turning up there and mum's on street are all #fascist or were involved with #EDL (was EJDL according to "Silenced" documentary*) and not genuinely worried with 0 politician replies almost literally!

It's not just people sucked in without knowing yes a lot of baggage but perhaps a lot of good points and even receipts presented by those talking about government deals / spending / money taken while left politics does really poorly and makes sure they don't step on anyone's toes even those stamping on them or playing #economic #war elsewhere...

Anyway not trying to push my politics but nearly-nothing vs. lots of presented points and public attempts seem too easy as what is needed to at least get discussion regardless of thinking tuning up somewhere will get you massively sucked in.

Let's go over some of these points, else if you have "no time for it" I don't know what else to say... just let it stay unreplied.

* link to "Silenced" documentary
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=MWMqit6l5Z4

@benroyce @KarlinEcuador @gerrymcgovern I agree Ben.

I think it also comes from us not having found ways to #respect each other enough and seemingly still needing #abstract #numbers (banks or bitcoin) to think we're exchanging well...

Using #cruel / materially-tied / burning ways to keep burning people and more material to make our exchange #valid is a bit of a sick design and sick / destructive #proofofwork thing by how much our currency has eaten - #primitive let's say - but it serves us to have visible #digits when we think we are worth 10 or 100 but when the face value of a bank or bitcoin does not match the real value even the next week or the next year. In fact the opposite by design (devalues is taking away continually to keep us working instead of potential giving more in another sense / not devaluing both of us EACH TIME we had 'currency' to each other).

Naturally or as more man-made creations, everything needs #consumption to be #transformed into something else more #visible / #static...

The point is we don't really value non-material or #mind things (at all or as much)... #friendship or even creating them from such a large pool, all with their own resources we could use (potentially).

So the whole thing as my main point is that more personally we seem to need these 'numbers' or #false #accounting techniques instead to represent things falsely (accept being tricked for those who know about Banks) and not looking for other ways...

Both #banks or #bitcoin doing the bad things for us, much rather than in parallel finding how to #respect #people or #planet more even along side these existing things that we can't change... even as a side #project.

If we're not doing that - it's kind of messed up. Is it not?

We have to learn sometime "how bad" these things are now but in short they made from crude #war from their root (#money / #energy / computational resource consumption) we should have seen 100 times already... so as a root of all #evil they are all self-validating methods (money to justify paying #tax (money existing as the whole reason to pay tax) or bitcoin as a long-winded energy burn in order to avoid bad people doing over-night banks or monitoring our own private life and #privacy .

'Giving' something to others is not easy. There is more to it but not working on it is one main point we could start on now (I am as #FreeSchool).

Without that change, we are continuing the use by not trying for another way of exchange or value, and we seem to end up to serving the bad because we don't have an answer and not looking to creating something better than bitcoin / banks.

Not even conversation past hating these things (less Trump etc) and building more each other in some other sense.... would be nice.

Let's all talk more about the next generation$... #FreeSchool

Picture1: Bitcoin #genesis #block by #SatoshiNakamoto - Times newspaper headline about bank #bailouts in code.

@alice

Sorry that's much like partially shooting yourself in the foot and then blaming rich people / bad leaders.

So you if you don't see Banks as bad / funding wars - there is something seriously wrong. If you're keeping money there and going to protest - no matter how hard you #protest your money is with them and doing bad things overnight.

(Appreciate the reply by the way / let's try work on this)

I know alternatives are seemingly few or hard to do but don't let that stop you trying for those things and not just protesting -

*This* more-human part or real #boycott is part of the REAL "protest" (I.E. other protests are real but THEY ARE *JUST PROTEST* as in 'asking' / begging constantly for them to change.

Protest in many senses we know is low change / 💯 % not going to happen (a lot of protest in history!) so by not moving what power / money (or things similar) out of their control / abuse) this is basically not clever protest
(measurably not just my opinion - there is a direct power construct to paying for #war and #bad things).

I don't think you got it as much as this above (with respect) so I'm adding this...

I'm saying yes to your list as partially good but not physically changing enough in core areas. (d it all but don't avoid the more core things and not just 'support' stuff which will be infinite unless your change the core).

The picture (newer version + others added) was trying to show we are born into all this / part of the system and showing you (the public) are part of it's thinking too if you are thinking you are not part of fascist structures (the whole #State and #Bank #hierachy / #authority / #monopoly).

I know you don't want to label yourself / agree you're part of #fascism BUT if people are using banks / bad maths / cheating systems and think it's ok and just neutral numbers paying each other less calue THEN YOU ARE PART OF FASCISM AND NEED TO COME OUT OF THAT THINKING!...

VICTIMS
*I do blame* victims AFTER they know this and continue. While all victims should have a chance and need time - some are WAY TOO COMFORTABLE and went into settling for it.

No longer victim here as bourgeois (LOTS of people here very comfortable)... *and they* play their part in I'm a victim by going to the same theater or opera / shops / institutes / city.

And they think all people online are doubtful - might as well did you're own grave that way.

When the crowd pays to go in and boo the actors and want to pay bad people for their goods (and then complain). Just playing into it too much.

So there's a measurable limit even to "victim" I'm sympathetic for (to a limit), but not settling comfortably into and not even in blaming-mode constantly helps (which is a lot of #Fediverse too).

They spend 100's of hours (go check all the hashtags - again it's measurable) - but nearly nothing on forging friends... all the Tech people work on machines, code and then blame #Musk for using it. Short examples like that (more of a long chain but you get the picture).

"It's not our fault we don't like giving time to other humans online or offline and play with PlayStation Linux all day, all our life..."

#Trump #Musk bla bla bla hashtags and near-0 on building #trust / #friendship / giving #time to random people here between themselves. And poor you now getting a long detailed reasoning you might avoid replying.

Just blame and #caturday cat pics?

Na. Not working.

HOPE THAT'S CLEARER FOR YOU!

🧑‍🤝‍🧑 + 🏦 🤑 = FASCISM HIERARCHY / AUTHORITY / POWER / MUSK or whoever

Even using #Amazon back ends to fuel instances without non-interactive human instances to change... is passing time like watching one-way TV news and never using ourselves / adding others almost whoever they are.

SO WHAT NOW -
Let me know where we can go for participating in circles...

Let me know what you think of each part of this.

We're all recovering but #Mastodon etc as a #social engine is largely empty software without a kind of department dedicated to actually doing social on any deeper level than complaining - an organized social - not one way stuff ... our stuff - 2-way into deeper things, not just text but audio chat that people can dedicate to every days as part of the whole #therapy of life. And create our way out of it into the new (not spread their crap).

My whole #FreeSchool account shows I've genuinely tried to find and #failed to find much and many are not interested.

I appreciate your reply and this isn't damning you or to win in the end an argument...
....unless you choose to end it here.

About resources:

I think it is more #emotionally yes and not having will-power needs working on to encourage each other (hence having chats with people and not necessarily having to say everything but enough to really push past alone-ism)- time seems plenty for many (you can tell but their profile posts)

It's the #will or constancy in others encouraging / asking for / seeing and accepting others as imperfect (naturally) and not being so doubtful - as that scuppers any chances too.

Wwithout even testing people out people have resigned / accept fascism and even play their part.

Part of the answer we need to do is in testing and solving real communication - no more bashing #trump #ETC.

Agree? / Disagree?

Want to work on it?

⬆️ These are clear questions -
please don't avoid.

Let me know what you think with emphasis on #Fascism using people as part of being a #Capitalist - directly and indirectly - not completely 100% but you are more often a big part that, and have a lot of ignorance or ignoring thing to fall within that definition of fascist and then the #extractive #business added on top ( #BigTech / #Tech / #STEM etc ) and perhaps complain about it after...

#IBM used in counting Jewish people in concentration camps and facial recognition being rolled out in Europe being very similar (if these are true) and part of all Tech in wrong hands BECAUSE it was made by people for #war mostly (#drones, #coffee, etc) ☕ ✈️ 📦

#Pyramid #Chains of #Consumption
+ #Musk #Trump #UKPol #USPol etc